Just not sure what to do . . .

[MGG]

Started incubating shipped khaki eggs 30 days ago. Two hatched yesterday. There are 8 left. First time incubating shipped eggs and poured over all the info I could find within this amazing forum. Followed instructions from letting them rest to marking the air pockets. Yep. Pretty serious saddled eggs. Wrote everything down.
Well, it's been 24 hours since the 1st two hatched and there is no movement, no tapping and what blood vessels I could see are dark. Would this be the time to do the float test?

30 days is pretty late. Did you calibrate an additional thermometer to keep in the incubator prior to staring incubation?
Can you post candling pics? If there are no external pips it's safe to do a quick candle.
Float testing is a very bad idea, always.
Here is a post I wrote a while ago explaining float testing.
It was to someone else, but it's too much to try to rewrite. Lol
"I will never use the float test again, even if it is "safe". It will only indicate the size of the air cell. More air = more buoyancy. Putting the egg in a gravity free environment makes it easier to see any movement. BUT... the chick may be resting... and not moving. So, if that's the case, the whole test is a waste of time. Not to mention: very porous eggs will absorb water through those pores, which may make an already too wet egg even wetter inside. And, if your humidity was too high or too low it will cause the egg to either ride lower in the water or totally float. Which will make the test results even more inaccurate. Candling is the only reliable method. If you can't see anything inside the egg, just leave it in. You can't change the results anyway, unless the chick is already internally or externally pipped. By then you could start assisting, but it might die from premature assisting too. Just leave them be for a little longer, and cross your fingers."

Don’t float! @MGG

Thanks for the tag!

 

[AyemTater]

30 days is pretty late. Did you calibrate an additional thermometer to keep in the incubator prior to staring incubation?
Can you post candling pics? If there are no external pips it's safe to do a quick candle.
Float testing is a very bad idea, always.
Here is a post I wrote a while ago explaining float testing.
It was to someone else, but it's too much to try to rewrite. Lol
"I will never use the float test again, even if it is "safe". It will only indicate the size of the air cell. More air = more buoyancy. Putting the egg in a gravity free environment makes it easier to see any movement. BUT... the chick may be resting... and not moving. So, if that's the case, the whole test is a waste of time. Not to mention: very porous eggs will absorb water through those pores, which may make an already too wet egg even wetter inside. And, if your humidity was too high or too low it will cause the egg to either ride lower in the water or totally float. Which will make the test results even more inaccurate. Candling is the only reliable method. If you can't see anything inside the egg, just leave it in. You can't change the results anyway, unless the chick is already internally or externally pipped. By then you could start assisting, but it might die from premature assisting too. Just leave them be for a little longer, and cross your fingers."

Thanks for the tag!

I used 3 thermometers and a hydrometer. All were calibrated. None have externally pipped. After much thought and my husband's input we decided not to float.
I will be candling later this evening and will post pictures. I've been thinking about making an air hole just in case, but I'll wait until after pictures are posted.
Thank you so much for responding.

 

[MGG]

I used 3 thermometers and a hydrometer. All were calibrated. None have externally pipped. After much thought and my husband's input we decided not to float.
I will be candling later this evening and will post pictures. I've been thinking about making an air hole just in case, but I'll wait until after pictures are posted.
Thank you so much for responding.

Ok, good job calibrating!!! Many people skip that important step.
That's for the best.
Float testing is very dangerous for the developing embryos. Float testing is meant for checking the age of eggs destined for human consumption. If the eggs are too old to eat you'll be able to tell. It was never meant to be used for hatching eggs. I'm honestly not even sure who came up with the idea to submerge live eggs in water...but it wasn't a good idea.
Give 24+ hours after the embryo has internally pipped to make a safety hole. I've never had good results with safety holes. It seems to make the chick "lazy".
The reason chicks are forced to externally pip, is because gas builds up inside the egg, and the embryo runs out of oxygen. If safety holes are made, the chick doesn't have to externally pip because it has air. Then it just lazily lays there, and eventually dies. This is my experience, and it isn't necessarily always a bad idea to make safety holes, I just wouldn't reccomend it except for on very rare occasions.
No problem. Good luck with your hatch, and keep us posted please!

 

[AyemTater]

Pictures of the eggs. None have externally pipped.

 

[AyemTater]

Ok, good job calibrating!!! Many people skip that important step.
That's for the best.
Float testing is very dangerous for the developing embryos. Float testing is meant for checking the age of eggs destined for human consumption. If the eggs are too old to eat you'll be able to tell. It was never meant to be used for hatching eggs. I'm honestly not even sure who came up with the idea to submerge live eggs in water...but it wasn't a good idea.
Give 24+ hours after the embryo has internally pipped to make a safety hole. I've never had good results with safety holes. It seems to make the chick "lazy".
The reason chicks are forced to externally pip, is because gas builds up inside the egg, and the embryo runs out of oxygen. If safety holes are made, the chick doesn't have to externally pip because it has air. Then it just lazily lays there, and eventually dies. This is my experience, and it isn't necessarily always a bad idea to make safety holes, I just wouldn't reccomend it except for on very rare occasions.
No problem. Good luck with your hatch, and keep us posted please!

That makes complete sense with the float test. Considering these eggs had a rough journey via USPS, I suspect they may not have made it.

 

[MGG]

Pictures of the eggs. None have externally pipped.

I hate to say it, but unfortunately they all look dead.
Any temp spikes these last few days?
I'm really sorry.

 

[CHlCKEN]

I hate to say it, but unfortunately they all look dead.
Any temp spikes these last few days?
I'm really sorry.

I’m not a hatching expert, so correct me if I’m wrong about suggesting this, but perhaps crack them open to see how far along they developed

 

[AyemTater]

Ok, good job calibrating!!! Many people skip that important step.
That's for the best.
Float testing is very dangerous for the developing embryos. Float testing is meant for checking the age of eggs destined for human consumption. If the eggs are too old to eat you'll be able to tell. It was never meant to be used for hatching eggs. I'm honestly not even sure who came up with the idea to submerge live eggs in water...but it wasn't a good idea.
Give 24+ hours after the embryo has internally pipped to make a safety hole. I've never had good results with safety holes. It seems to make the chick "lazy".
The reason chicks are forced to externally pip, is because gas builds up inside the egg, and the embryo runs out of oxygen. If safety holes are made, the chick doesn't have to externally pip because it has air. Then it just lazily lays there, and eventually dies. This is my experience, and it isn't necessarily always a bad idea to make safety holes, I just wouldn't reccomend it except for on very rare occasions.
No problem. Good luck with your hatch, and keep us posted please!

I hate to say it, but unfortunately they all look dead.
Any temp spikes these last few days?
I'm really sorry.

Not that I'm aware of. There was an unexpected rise in humidity.

 

[AyemTater]

I’m not a hatching expert, so correct me if I’m wrong about suggesting this, but perhaps crack them open to see how far along they developed

They were fully developed. It wasn't a total loss. Two hatched before sunrise yesterday.

 

[AyemTater]

They were fully developed. It wasn't a total loss. Two hatched before sunrise yesterday.