Landrace/adaptive breeding discussion

[Appalachickens]

I just won't keep an animal I cant trust to do its job or that kills anything for no reason. My 4 run free 24x7 with my chickens and goats and I don't have many losses anymore. I've never lost a goat or pig to predators despite black bears, coyotes, packs of stray dogs, bobcats and cougars. A random hawk attack is really all i deal with anymore. I used to have a bunch of chicken losses back before my pack matured. I only have an acre fenced out of my 15 and they keep every inch predator free. I have a hound dog that alarms and chases. 2 lgds that patrol and bark alll night to keep predators away and a pitbull to growl, bark, and do pitbull things like let strangers give belly rubs lol

I get that but Fiadh is a pet from the shelter, not a work dog. Her only job is to be a companion. I understand your position, but chickens aren't actually the most important thing in my life.

 

[Backroadlogic]

I get that but Fiadh is a pet from the shelter, not a work dog. Her only job is to be a companion. I understand your position, but chickens aren't actually the most important thing in my life.

I just don't trust a dog that doesn't behave appropriately and has poor training regardless of the reason. Pet or not. I have toddlers running around too. I don't need a dog that can't control prey drive

 

[Appalachickens]

I just don't trust a dog that doesn't behave appropriately and has poor training regardless of the reason. Pet or not. I have toddlers running around too. I don't need a dog that can't control prey drive

You’re certainly entitled to think that way.

 

[Skyeknight]

I just don't trust a dog that doesn't behave appropriately and has poor training regardless of the reason. Pet or not. I have toddlers running around too. I don't need a dog that can't control prey drive

I do agree with you to a degree. I also have sheep and therefore never really trusts dogs, most here aren't trained to ignore prey drive at all. I have experienced the damage they can do. I do know livestock guardian dogs at are good way to protect sheep from predators, but I don't know if I will ever get one. Feels to much like letting the predators in.


I however do think that killing it immediately is a step too far. Dogs like that could be relocated to the city or possibly be retrained. Too many humans can't even ignore their "instinct", so I am not going to assume all trained dogs will.

 

[Appalachickens]

I however do think that killing it immediately is a step too far. Dogs like that could be relocated to the city or possibly be retrained. Too many humans can't even ignore their "instinct", so I am not going to assume all trained dogs will.

I also understand someone not keeping an aggressive dog around livestock, but I’m talking about a family pet who lives in the house. I’m not going all Kristi Noem on my pets.

 

[Backroadlogic]

I do agree with you to a degree. I also have sheep and therefore never really trusts dogs, most here aren't trained to ignore prey drive at all. I have experienced the damage they can do. I do know livestock guardian dogs at are good way to protect sheep from predators, but I don't know if I will ever get one. Feels to much like letting the predators in.


I however do think that killing it immediately is a step too far. Dogs like that could be relocated to the city or possibly be retrained. Too many humans can't even ignore their "instinct", so I am not going to assume all trained dogs will.

Imo it's irresponsible to rehome a dog that's a killer. People just need to train their dogs and stop making excuses for them. If a person fails their dog by not training it and then it kills it's their responsibility to get rid of the problem. Killing indiscriminately in not acceptable when there are children present.

 

[Appalachickens]

Imo it's irresponsible to rehome a dog that's a killer. People just need to train their dogs and stop making excuses for them. If a person fails their dog by not training it and then it kills it's their responsibility to get rid of the problem. Killing indiscriminately in not acceptable when there are children present.

If you’re still going on about my situation, my children are grown. Not sure what’s driving your venom, but how about we agree to disagree?

 

[Backroadlogic]

If you’re still going on about my situation, my children are grown. Not sure what’s driving your venom, but how about we agree to disagree?

Talking about my choices on what I believe is appropriate with dangerous animals.. you are welcome to move the conversation along with new insight or stop responding to me if you don't want to have this conversation. Nobody is forcing you to read my replies to another user or to reply to me.

 

[NatJ]

If you’re still going on about my situation, my children are grown. Not sure what’s driving your venom, but how about we agree to disagree?

I think it just shifted from your situation, to one person's advice to rehome an animal-killing dog to a city home, and another person saying that is irresponsible because the dog might become a child-killing dog in any environment (cities have children too.) I won't make any bets about how long people can argue about THAT subject!

As regards your own dog, it sounds to me like you have things pretty well arranged. The dog and the chickens have good separate lives, because of a fence. Yes, a chicken got over the fence one time and got killed, but plenty of other people have chickens get over a fence and killed by coyotes or other predators. Your dog is not a threat to anyone else's livestock or children, because your dog is not running around unsupervised. It just doesn't sound like a big deal to me

 

[Appalachickens]

I think it just shifted from your situation, to one person's advice to rehome an animal-killing dog to a city home, and another person saying that is irresponsible because the dog might become a child-killing dog in any environment (cities have children too.) I won't make any bets about how long people can argue about THAT subject!

As regards your own dog, it sounds to me like you have things pretty well arranged. The dog and the chickens have good separate lives, because of a fence. Yes, a chicken got over the fence one time and got killed, but plenty of other people have chickens get over a fence and killed by coyotes or other predators. Your dog is not a threat to anyone else's livestock or children, because your dog is not running around unsupervised. It just doesn't sound like a big deal to me

It's not a big deal in my book, I'm happy with my dog's situation.