Latest battle with Enterococcus and Escherichia coli

[Akrnaf2]

There wernt any secondary infections involved in that instance nor mentioned by the OP. Therefore your statement to use terramycin was unwarranted and irrevelent.

She reminded a hard discharge and and labored breeding this sound to me as
Singes of an infection that could be a bacterial infection.

 

[dawg53]

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Wrong, if anything it wouldve been wet pox which causes lesions in the mouth, esophagus and trachea with mucus buildup. That's why I asked him to look for lesions in the mouth.

 

[Chickerdoodle13]

There wernt any secondary infections involved in that instance nor mentioned by the OP. Therefore your statement to use terramycin was unwarranted and irrevelent.

This poster is actually quite right in mentioning prophylactic antibiotics for birds with viral infections. ESPECIALLY for birds that are having concurrent respiratory signs that may point to wet pox. The rate of secondary bacterial infections is quite high with many viral infections. When a viral infection is diagnosed, antibiotics are given quite frequently before signs of bacterial infection, to prevent otherwise vulnerable tissues from becoming infected. Certain viruses have a higher incidence of concurrent bacterial infections than others.

I am not one to jump to using antibiotic with the dry form of pox, because it usually leaves the animal quite benign on its own in a couple of weeks, but concurrent respiratory signs would be an indication for antibiotic therapy. Whether or not they should be used and the types of antibiotics indicated is a different story.

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[dawg53]

Quote: Birds with wet pox will die from starvation. Giving antibiotics to a bird with wet pox is useless. I've dealt with it.


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[casportpony]

Some of you might be interested in the labs report I posted here:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/959119/baytril-enrofloxacin-sources/20#post_15051066

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

@Michael Apple thanks for starting this thread and sharing your experience.

-Kathy

 

[Michael Apple]

A true statement confirmed in the culture report. Macrolides are recommended for sensitivity against particularly resistant strains of bacteria. Adios.


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[casportpony]

Here is a table that I like:



Source: http://www.octagon-services.co.uk/articles/poultry/gamebirds.pdf

-Kathy

 

[Michael Apple]

Here is a table that I like:



Source: http://www.octagon-services.co.uk/articles/poultry/gamebirds.pdf

-Kathy

The one thing about these charts is they don't reveal where some diseases may be susceptible to an antibiotic in vitro, that doesn't always predict clinical effectiveness. The E. coli strain I dealt with showed resistance to enrofloxacin even in vitro. The same was listed in regard to Trimethoprim-Sulfa, Amoxicillin/Clav Acid, Doxycycline.

 

[casportpony]

The one thing about these charts is they don't reveal where some diseases may be susceptible to an antibiotic in vitro, that doesn't always predict clinical effectiveness. The E. coli strain I dealt with showed resistance to enrofloxacin even in vitro. The same was listed in regard to Trimethoprim-Sulfa, Amoxicillin/Clav Acid, Doxycycline.

I know, I just use it as a guide.

-Kathy