Lavender and Blue genes - cross outcome?

[Thespoiledchicken]

I have a question- Is it possible to have a blue diluter gene hide in a Black chicken that is also split for Lavender?

I ask because I have a group of Black Ameraucanas that are all split for Lavender that I am breeding. I am getting the expected Black and Lavender chicks except twice now I have gotten Blue chicks- or what I am assuming are Blue chicks. They are a dark grey color. I have gotten 2 of these Blue chicks out of about 100 chicks hatched now.

Is it possible that Blue can hide or maybe tag along with Lavender in a Black bird? I am perplexed because I thought a black bird could not hide a diluting gene except the recessive ones

What could be happening here?

Thanks for any insights

 

[Morgan Jones]

The blue gene & lavender genes are not linked so I see no reason for the presence of one to make a greater probability of also having the other. There is a darker grey form of lavender, probably the effects of melanisers. You will soon know if they are really blue by the way the gene behaves when you breed it.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Blues can be so dark as to look black.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

The blue gene & lavender genes are not linked so I see no reason for the presence of one to make a greater probability of also having the other. There is a darker grey form of lavender, probably the effects of melanisers. You will soon know if they are really blue by the way the gene behaves when you breed it.

Thank you I guess I will have to see how they feather out and if they breed like normal Blues...

Still find it really odd!

Blues can be so dark as to look black.

The Blacks I am working with are very Black with a nice greenish sheen to them so I can't imagine how a Blue could look like that.

Could there be any other explanation how I got these 2 Blue chicks? Could it be some unknown recessive gene popping up?


Just to add a little more info I am working on the Silkied feather Ameraucana project- long story short 2 pure Ameraucanas popped up with silkied type feathering a few years back to a BYC member named Jubaby (It is believed to have been a spontaneous mutation and not crossed with Silkies since they have no Silkie traits whatsoever). A couple of us are trying to get them established and increase their hardiness since they were genetically very weak and likely inbred.

I crossed them to my Lavender stock to establish them in Lavender. I am currently working with smooth feather Black birds all split to Lavender and split to silkied feathering. Hatching Blacks and Lavenders in both smooth and silkied feathering as expected but these 2 unexpected Blue chicks really confused me. I am wondering if those original mutated birds could also have some other strange recessive genes at play here

This is a few of my Silkied Feather Lavender Ameraucana babies hatching




Here is one of the Blues (?) that hatched





Just thought it was really strange and someone could tell me maybe a Lavender was also carrying Blue or something like that

Thanks

 

[joshbparker]

What if you crossed a blue over blue what could you outcomes be?

 

[Cearbhael]

Blue, black and splash

 

[rainbowhatchery]

self blue and lavender are the same thing but not the same as blue, its weird lol

 

[BlackwoodHollow]

 

[lilstrick 25]

So how would this work for blue copper morans

 

[lilstrick 25]

To keep blue constant