Lavender Orpington project ....

[Homegroanacres]

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We've already had this conversation...

Using Blue, Black and Splash birds in your Lavender program WILL NOT "complicate your genetics".

It seems we'll just have to agree to disagree on that subject.

You will need to be diligent in your record keeping though to ensure that the Lavender gene is kept track of, so when you breed certain birds together you'll know exactly what to expect from the offspring.

Like HappyMtn mentioned, TYPE is paramount, it should take precedence over all other things, including color. Once you have great type on your birds then you can worry about everything else.

Yawn

Guess I need to wakeup before I type!

John

 

[jeremy]

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You can use black from an all-black flock or a BBS flock. The most important thing is to find blacks that have the right type to improve your lavenders.

Would not a BBS Black produce other color's?

John

Black from BBS breeding and Black that originates from an only Black line of birds are the same exact color, so you can use Black birds from both breeding to help with your Lavender program.

A "BBS Black" will not produce other colors, unless your birds are carrying unknown genetics.. Black from BBS breeding does not "carry" the Blue gene, if the bird is Black it cannot be Blue and it cannot "hide" the gene. If your bird has the Blue gene it will be Blue. If it does not, it will be Black. Period.

 

[Homegroanacres]

OK I know I'm thick headed........

Black X Blue = 50% Black, so the Blue gene does not carry into the Black? If so how does
one get Split anything?

Not trying to cuz any problems

Mabe this needs to be taken to a PM

John

 

[Goose and Fig]

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Think of blue as a "dilution of black" gene. If a bird carries this "DOB", all normally black feathers will appear blue. (as in blue wheaten or blue copper) If a bird carries 2 copies of "DOB" it will appear splash.

 

[Homegroanacres]

Understood

John

 

[jeremy]

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No problem at all, the only way to understand is to ask.

Like I said previously...

A "BBS Black" will not produce other colors, unless your birds are carrying unknown genetics.. Black from BBS breeding does not "carry" the Blue gene, if the bird is Black it cannot be Blue and it cannot "hide" the gene. If your bird has the Blue gene it will be Blue. If it does not, it will be Black. Period.

You cannot have a Black split to Blue bird... it's impossible.​

 

[cukooformarans]

I think the issue in confusion here is that lavender and blue behave the same way. They do not. There is not a blue split. A bird with one blue gene will be blue (assuming a black base). A bird with two blue genes will be splash.

Not so with lavender. It hides. A black bird with one copy of lavender is a split but it is black. You need two copies of lavender for it to be visually present and then the bird is lavender. Period ... you get black or lavender when dealing with pure black and pure lavender. Totally different in how they behave. A black bird from a bbs is black. There is no split blue hiding in the genetics. Therefore, a black bird from a bbs pen is the same as any other black bird. (just talking color here, folks!

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The difference in opinion comes when discussing whether a blue bird from a bbs should be used. On that point, I do not profess to be knowledgeable to debate. I only included this note for clarification of the previous discussion.

 

[jeremy]

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This is exactly right!

 

[pips&peeps]

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This is why some of the breed clubs want to label our birds as lavender instead of self blue as it is very confusing to new breeders. Lavender is not blue and the genes do not express the same way a blue does.

 

[jeremy]

pips&peeps :

This is why some of the breed clubs want to label our birds as lavender instead of self blue as it is very confusing to new breeders. Lavender is not blue and the genes do not express the same way a blue does.

Makes sense to me.