Lavender patterned Isabel duckwing barred - lavender brown cuckoo barred - project and genetic dis

[ChicKat]

for people who are following this thread for the expansion of thier genetics knowledge -- have I got a deal for you.

Found this:
https://www.emaze.com/@AFQCORRQ/Genetics-vocabulary

It's a slide show of "genetics vocabulary by Hayden Beadle - 2016"

and I found this -- which you may have already seen - it is by Heather Nicholson - at the blog Scratch Cradle -- and she has a genetics miniseries - Here is the link and from what I have read it is just excellent presentations:

It starts here:
https://scratchcradle.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/gms1-genetics-of-egg-color/

Then you can see links to the other parts - (I think that there are at least 12) -- at the bottom of the current one. She started with egg color and goes on through other facets of chicken genetics.
ETA - here is a better starting point for the Scratch Cradle genetics mini-series
https://scratchcradle.wordpress.com/genetics-mini-series/

 

[1cock2hens]

1cock2hens - that sounds like a good plan.

When you say 'tiny house' -- as in the tiny house movement? -- wow - and your place is in the ozarks? That is a beautiful part of the country. Of course it does sound like you are juggling a lot -- and you can get yourself there step-by-step -- that's for sure. There is a bantam OEGB here that is really something - and I imagine that the full size of that breed has similar traits. They are admirable birds.

Whenever your chance allows or if a brain storm hits-- be sure to post so we can follow your adventure!

yep i have been building a 12ft x 20ft tiny house with two lofts.. it just needs siding, the insulation finished and for me to finish the hardwood flooring. I can't wait till it's done.. i want to build a bunch of tiny houses on my property.. Its in a perfect little part of the ozarks i got lucky, I am really high up with nice views of the other hills just miles from creeks, I have a natural spring and 15 acres of forrest, when i get a little more cleared out i am going to build an outdoor kitchen building and a bathroom building too... I just cleared enough area last week to start my new chicken coop. I was raised on a commercial chicken farm but have been stuck living in the anti-chicken suburbs for the past few years and i miss them.

 

[ChicKat]

That is amazing and wonderful. One of my nieces in Oregon has an idea of getting a little village on a piece of property made of tiny houses. You are farther along than she is -- she hasn't found the property yet -- but the idea is strong.

 

[ChicKat]

Thinking of 'selective breeding' -- Here's something that is kind of sobering in a way:


http://feedstuffsfoodlink.com/story-yielding-more-chicken-without-growth-enhancers-0-119150

the article says that the difference between the chickens -- and each column is the same chick-to-chicken progression of the same chick -- the difference is selection. Humans have a tremendous influence on the chickens.
The broiler chicken in the lower right corner weighs in at over 9-pounds in the 56 day growth period.

 

[campingshaws]

Thinking of 'selective breeding' -- Here's something that is kind of sobering in a way:


http://feedstuffsfoodlink.com/story-yielding-more-chicken-without-growth-enhancers-0-119150

the article says that the difference between the chickens -- and each column is the same chick-to-chicken progression of the same chick -- the difference is selection.   Humans have a tremendous influence on the chickens.
The broiler chicken in the lower right corner weighs in at over 9-pounds in the 56 day growth period. 

Conversely, I've heard it would only take 5-6 generations for chickens to revert back to a wild type, essentially undoing human influence. I can't speak to the timeframe, but there were chickens on the beaches of Grand Cayman island when we visited in February. Check out the camouflage!

 

[ChicKat]

Awesome -- and the chicks the exact color that the sand is. Those look like really nice healthy chickens tooo -not starving wretches. Gorgeous pictures. Thanks!
ETA - there really may be something to that 5-6 generations to revert to wild type -- or a version of it -- like the chickens that you have in that picture -- because the ones that weren't camouflage would be the first ones that predators would get. And by natural selection the basics of the chickens would revert.

 

[Finnie]

@ChicKatI have a question about sexing Brown Leghorns. I know it's not really pertinent to your project, but I thought you might be the one to know.

I figured that since leghorns have such larger combs than other single comb breeds, it was no big deal when one of my hatchery sexed pullets started getting a larger comb than my other chicks. There are five pullets, and they all basically have larger combs than I'm used to seeing. Do Brown Leghorns follow the same guidelines as other chicks, where if the comb gets big at a young age, starts to turn pink early, and pink wattles show up early, it's a boy? Or will the females have bigger, pinker combs anyway, since we expect such large combs on them?

Mine are about 6 or 7 weeks old.

 

[ChicKat]

Oh Finnie,
Although I don't know much about brown leghorns - and only had the Isabel ones, I would strongly suspect that larger redder comb and wattles are going to be a boy at age 6 weeks. I sure hope I am way wrong on that one!


If this could be any help at all - the foreground chick is a male and the back ground female. here's another picture of the female a bit later on:

This girl is a split - and has hardly any -- the next photo is a split who went to a new home as a chick - but I think it was a boy:



same chick -- camera lens makes head look oversized but I'm betting this was a boy -- (big feet too).

But then again by 7 weeks, maybe the female is getting a bit of red and the comb growing larger too, since as you say Leghorns have some pretty big combs. If you are able to post a picture, maybe some of the people who read in on this thread could voice an opinion! -- Hope it is a girl -- but depending on how big and how red - as you have said, those are boy signals.


Meanwhile, I'm struggling (to a degree) to sex the 13 hooligans in the brooder..They were hatched 2+ weeks ago, 3/21 and I know of a couple of boys for sure -- but wonder if all the ones I suspect are females actually will grow up to be.


Above photo chick on left exiting picture male

chick in center, female

chick on right male -- doesn't he look like he is saying "Am I cute or what?"



For certain I have identified 3 boys from larger combs. Most likely there is a 4th. If there are 4 boys that means 9 girls -- That is pretty good odds isn't it.

anyone who wants to enlarge the pictures (they wouldn't hold still for anything...and put in a guestimate is welcome to do it.

Having Cream Legbars - I'm SO SPOILED for knowing the gender at hatch time.

Speaking of hatch time -- I hope CampingShaws will have time to put in some pictures of those fuzzy butts!.


ETA -- okay I cropped in photoshop and zoomed in a little and put a letter on the ones I think are a certain gender. Please weigh in if you have an opinion:

The 'M's' have a bigger comb, the question mark '?' seems to have a bit bigger comb, however, also seems to have a strong dorsal V.

Believe it or not all 13 are in that picture -- although some are obscured and some are blurred in motion. Maybe the M/F ratio in this hatch was a really lucky one.

 

[campingshaws]

Ask and ye shall receive! All photos from this morning.

This one is CCLxEE and caused quite a few head scratches! Luckily I knew the "lines" all the way back to great grandma (black amerecauna) and great grandpa (pure HRIR).

They're more than ready to be out of the hatcher! I've been running behind schedule on nearly everything, so I'm just now scrubbing the brooder. then I'll move the chicks and candle the remaining eggs.

 

[The Moonshiner]

@ChicKatI have a question about sexing Brown Leghorns. I know it's not really pertinent to your project, but I thought you might be the one to know.

I figured that since leghorns have such larger combs than other single comb breeds, it was no big deal when one of my hatchery sexed pullets started getting a larger comb than my other chicks. There are five pullets, and they all basically have larger combs than I'm used to seeing. Do Brown Leghorns follow the same guidelines as other chicks, where if the comb gets big at a young age, starts to turn pink early, and pink wattles show up early, it's a boy? Or will the females have bigger, pinker combs anyway, since we expect such large combs on them?

Mine are about 6 or 7 weeks old.

Check breast color.
Females feather in reddish
Males are mostly black with a little red