Lavender patterned Isabel duckwing barred - lavender brown cuckoo barred - project and genetic dis

[The Moonshiner]

We'll have so much genetic diversity with several of us working on this project. 

Im not using legbars though just leghorns so my project is a bit different.
Ive got to start with a cuckoo for my barring so i have to get rid of the extended black and get back to pure wild type. One step ive got that you all dont have to worry about. But you all have the creme and crested genes to get out or to keep in that I dont have to deal with.

 

[cjwaldon]

I'm keeping the crests and I'm not at all concerned if mine have cream or not. It will work itself out, or not, depending on what we choose to keep as breeders going forward. IMO they're going to be pretty, and pretty awesome, whether they have the cream gene or not. I'm more interested in autosexing and blue eggs than the cream gene. At least at this point in time. I might change my mind down the road.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I'm keeping the crests and I'm not at all concerned if mine have cream or not.  It will work itself out, or not, depending on what we choose to keep as breeders going forward.  IMO they're going to be pretty, and pretty awesome, whether they have the cream gene or not.  I'm more interested in autosexing and blue eggs than the cream gene.  At least at this point in time.  I might change my mind down the road.

I had started the same project but put it on hold since I had concern with being able to keep the blue egg gene.
With crossing with a leghorn your F1s will all have one blue gene and one white gene. Do you think it will be easy to keep the blue eggs? I was thinking eventually you would get some that picked up two genes for white. Just not sure how often, when or exactly how to make sure they end up breeding true for tbe blue eggs.

 

[ChicKat]

A few F1 project chicks.
I know the F1s arent nearly as exciting as your F2s but theyre on their way.



From left to right.
Silver rooster over isabel hen F1 chick
Straight isabel chick
Cuckoo rooster over isabel hen F1 chick
This is a chick thats going to be used in my barred isabel project.
Ive also got a pen with an isabel rooster over cuckoo hen but I havent hatch any of her chicks yet.



Same silver over isabel F1 chick
Same cuckoo over isabel F1 chick



Same straight isabel chick
Cuckoo rooster over silver hen F1 chick

Actually, I think it is totally fascinating -- and comparing to ordinary Isabel reveals a lot of chick-down variation.

ETA - if the silver duckwing X Isabel didn't have lavender the gray (lavender) sides would be brown right? The two chipmunk stripes would probably be the same color and the center stripe would be darker....let me know if I'm mistaken - and thanks for posting.

We'll have so much genetic diversity with several of us working on this project.

It is getting more and more intersting isn't it...

Im not using legbars though just leghorns so my project is a bit different.
Ive got to start with a cuckoo for my barring so i have to get rid of the extended black and get back to pure wild type. One step ive got that you all dont have to worry about. But you all have the creme and crested genes to get out or to keep in that I dont have to deal with.

Good insights, I'm definitely leaving crest behind -- and I'm projecting that if a barred Isabel has two cream genes, then the reds will be faded out more than I want to achieve. ... so I'm going to try to select for breeders showing strong warm colors under their dilutions....or that's the plan anyway. Moonshiner it will be really interesting to watch your progress to incorporate the duckwing.

I'm keeping the crests and I'm not at all concerned if mine have cream or not. It will work itself out, or not, depending on what we choose to keep as breeders going forward. IMO they're going to be pretty, and pretty awesome, whether they have the cream gene or not. I'm more interested in autosexing and blue eggs than the cream gene. At least at this point in time. I might change my mind down the road.

That is cool, and gives you flexibility.

I'm really looking forward to you all's progress!.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Your F1s if bred together should give you 25% with two blue genes. 50% with one blue gene and one white gene and 25% with two white genes.
If bred back to a legbar you would still have the white gene being hidden and passed on in some chicks. I just know it will pop up along the way producing white egg layers.

 

[The Moonshiner]

ETA - if the silver duckwing X Isabel didn't have lavender the gray (lavender) sides would be brown right?  The two chipmunk stripes would probably be the same color and the center stripe would be darker....let me know if I'm mistaken - and thanks for posting. 

The chick is just split for lavender so the lavender isnt showing or changing anything.
That is what a regular silver leghorn chick looks like. They dont have any brown just shades of grey pretty much.
That chick is pure duckwing split to isabel. Question is going to be whether it is male or female. Of course silver is sex linked so even though the mother is gold based it wont matter if its a pullet it will be pure silver. If its a cockerel it will be silver and gold.
Those cockerels will mostly look the same but sometimes they show a tad bit of brown.
I know a lot say silver is dominate so it hids the gold but ive never seen one not show what it is as it feathers in. They look silver but with a yellowish color in hackels and saddle.
Im hoping for a cockerel. I can then bred him back to an isabel and half the pullets will be silver and half will be gold. Half would also be isabel and half split for isabel so i can use all silver pullets whether isabel or split.
Bred the cockerel back to the silver pullets and then i will get some pure silver cockerels.
Pick a pure silver that is lavender cockerel and breed to anything. Brown split to isabel, isabel, silver split to lavender or silver lavender and all the pullets will be silver based and lavender or split to lavender.
That will give me a lot of pullets to cull through for the next round.

 

[The Moonshiner]

A lot of people love the isabels but ive had more then a couple like the lavender but think the straw color makes them look dirty.
That was my idea that a lavender silver duckwing would that cleaner look.

 

[The Moonshiner]

If you look at the older barred chick you will see it has no brown. Both parents are silver based.
The younger barred chick has a hint of brown and a faint eye stripe.
His father is silver based and his mother gold based. Its a cockerel and carries both. Although the silver is dominate it is hinting that it carries gold.

 

[ChicKat]

Moonshiner -- thanks for clarifying - Sometimes I have to refresh my brain -- to keep just barring straight -- and when you are working on the gold/silver variations it adds a layer of complexity in geometric proportions.

The necessity in mine for double barred male is to insure passing barring to all the babies......The single barred male looks good -- and hopefully the double barring will look -- even better? It's all a generation away.

Also now that you mention it -- I do see faint warm tones in one of your barred chicks. It also stands out now that the barred babies have a different down pattern in the 'headspot' -- and the last chick has a larger white patch and the chick with the faintly visible 'V' of your two barred babies....keeps the white inside the V in the same way that CL females do.

Today is my hatch day for Easter Hatch-a-long. I see 4 or 5 that hatched overnight -- but this new incubator doesn't have the 100% clear visibility of the Brinsea so I just don't know. I'm saying 'hands off' until at least tomorrow morning -- telling myself that if I open it now I will kill all the ones that haven't hatched yet. Making me nutz. Better really get myself busy away from the incubator and pretend it is a hen....and just not distub 'her'.

 

[Kiki]

Good luck staying busy!