Lavender patterned Isabel duckwing barred - lavender brown cuckoo barred - project and genetic dis

[Brahma Chicken5000]

With recessive genes it takes two copies to show. One copy gets carried sight unseen.
When a bird is carrying one copy sight unseen it is said to be split for.
Like lavender. If you breed a lavender to a black we know the offspring will all get one copy of lavender but will be black. They are called black split for lavender.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for explaining it to me.

 

[The Moonshiner]

@ChicKat
Just caught post #838.
That chick is solid lavender. I think it was maybe from lighting but mostly cause all I have to take pics is a cheap phone.
Here is pic of that chick as of today.

Funny this project (for me) was to get a lavender barred duckwing pure leghorn.
Guess I'm doing it one word at a time.
That chick is my lavender.
Here's my next....

A lavender barred.
Now I just got to get lavender, barred and duckwing all in one.
Honestly though I'm really liking these two.
Here's another lavender I hatched last night. That's a blue that's next to it.
Kinda cool to see the two versions of blue side by side.

Here's two blues that are a little older.

And for fun a couple other project chicks

 

[ChicKat]

Awesome! & So adorable!
You have such symmetrical barring on that one chick and such a nice lavender on the first one. Thank you for sharng your other project chicks too.... It's neat to see blue & lavender side-by-side. One of those chicks -- with the black and pattern reminds me of a little bumble bee. It is super neat to see this approach. The barring is awesome. Each one could also be a stopping point. ( just lavender, lavender / lavender barred just by itself --etc.) Cool projects And also congratulations on the great hatchlings.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Just a glimpse into my mind.
When you said they could be at a stopping point it made me a bit sad to think about.
You what it takes for a project. From the idea to the planning to the raising and breeding and hatching and then repeat until you finally end up with what you wanted.
I guess there is a stopping point but that was kinds hard to hear.
Even when I get where I was going with a project I've already figured out other directions to go. How to use that bird with those genes to combine with another bird to create something else.
One project always seems to spider web into others and then those into more. That plus when your brain can easily out pace a project you end up working on several projects at once and have several more planned out waiting for their time.
It's a whirlwind and maybe one day I'll just step out of it and see the carnage.
I got an idea I can be looking at upwards of 30 leghorn varieties in the next three years if I stick with all patterns I have now and new ones I'm working towards. If I don't crash and burn before then.
Regardless its a fun ride.
As for the lavender. I see them as a splitting point with these chicks. Any or all of them can be pure to breed true or still carry recessive genes to work out.
I'll probably combine the solids with the barred and breed them for the numbers I'll need. And on the way test breed to work out the genes needed to breed true.
Any of them I hatch as of now may carry wild type underneath so I'll be pulling and splitting Lav duckwing and barred Lav duckwing into a separate group as I go.
Also keeping an eye out to which ones I can use for different projects. Some will be used for lavender on a totally different pattern.
See how the web grows?
Thank you for the nice comments. I always worry about side tracking your thread with my other projects.

 

[Brahma Chicken5000]

@ChicKat
Just caught post #838.
That chick is solid lavender. I think it was maybe from lighting but mostly cause all I have to take pics is a cheap phone.
Here is pic of that chick as of today.
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Funny this project (for me) was to get a lavender barred duckwing pure leghorn.
Guess I'm doing it one word at a time.
That chick is my lavender.
Here's my next....
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A lavender barred.
Now I just got to get lavender, barred and duckwing all in one.
Honestly though I'm really liking these two.
Here's another lavender I hatched last night. That's a blue that's next to it.
Kinda cool to see the two versions of blue side by side.
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Here's two blues that are a little older.
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And for fun a couple other project chicks
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Cute chicks!

 

[Brahma Chicken5000]

@ChicKat how many Lavender Patterned Isabel Duckwing pullets/hens do you have that you are going to use for breeding?

 

[ChicKat]

@ChicKat how many Lavender Patterned Isabel Duckwing pullets/hens do you have that you are going to use for breeding?

Good question! There are quite a few nice females here.
In my plans of downsizing and moving away -- it may be madness to hatch at all....but I want to do a light hatch.

So there are 5 females that I will use. One of them is my ideal...partially based on the small size of her comb that doesn't flop, and partly based on her type, and partly based on her curiosity and friendliness.

Once the man comes and picks up the 11 hens that are slated to be rehomed, I'll set up breeding pens. Here's the strategy: one cockerel (the one that you liked best) will go with 3 hens and the smaller most saturated cockerel will go with two other females. I'm thinking I will only set about 6-8 eggs. Sad but true.

Way back at the beginning of the project, there was a concern about successive generations of chickens with the lavender genes fading the 'color'. So since the primary objective of the project was the plumage pattern and color -- that is still the focus and ups the value of little Mr. Saturated.

Maybe when the time comes close to the move, I will be able to find someone to pass the baton to...

Wow!! you are online during the wee hours of the morning. And you changed your avatar right?

 

[ChicKat]

Just a glimpse into my mind.
....... I always worry about side tracking your thread with my other projects.

It's always so interesting when you share the glimpses into your mind.

The projects that you describe are so layered and complex....and as far as side tracking the thread.... to me it is kind of like when you go on a trip or a vacation, and when you look back -- some of the most interesting things happen when you took a wrong turn and end up going someplace off the beaten track and have something unplanned occur.

All the input is value added to my mind -- and even some of the chit chat is fun---because as much as genetics is science...our thread isn't as much a scientific paper as a journey IMO.

BYC doesn't notify my of updates to this thread....so I just clicked 'unwatch' and then once it was unwatched, I clicked 'watch'. So I stop by from time to time, but without a notification, I think the thread is just dormant.

My view is that having a sustainable 'flock' -- would only require one of these males and a couple of females -- and a hatch every year or so. It's fearful to me that one could get low on stock. The key is the double barred male. Perhaps the single barred male is 'prettier' -- however the double barred male paired with the barred female is the key to autosexing...although you can be pretty confident with the singles based on diffused chipmunk stripes -- that head spot makes it definite to my eyes.

 

[Brahma Chicken5000]

Wow!! you are online during the wee hours of the morning. And you changed your avatar right?

Not really. I’m currently in Israel so I’m 7 hours ahead of the east coast. I’ll be back in New Jersey this Tuesday evening!
I love your thread and I want to create a new breed of chicken. I won’t say what breeds I will be using in my creation but here’s a list of what my breed will have: long tail & light weight body, rose comb, barring, an all black head and hackles, lays 4-5 medium-large white eggs a week, and slate legs. I’m open to critique as I am not so well versed with chicken genetics.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Not really. I’m currently in Israel so I’m 7 hours ahead of the east coast. I’ll be back in New Jersey this Tuesday evening!

Hum, any good chickens over there that we don't have here?
Surely you could fill a suitcase full of hatching eggs for the trip back couldn't you?