lavender (self blue)

[lindacovert]

I love your lavender Ameraucanas! Do you ever sell eggs or chicks?

 

[uberkio]

Hi there everyone! Fair warning, I cross posted this on the silkie thread...just in case you're afraid you're seeing double

So, these little sweeties are now about 5.5 weeks old, and I'm desperately in love! The problem is, they were sold to me as
Lavender...buuuuuut....?? So my question is, do I have beef with the breeder? They look like blue splash to me, if the breeder is breeding correctly, is it possible to get blue splash from lavender parents? We paid a pretty penny for them, and have been told that what we paid was too high for blue splash, but a good price for lavender. I adore them, and they're not going anywhere, but I'm about to contact the breeder and I'd like to be as informed as possible Also, genetics confuse the crap out of me! I'm a little obsessed with lavender birds- we have a small time lavender farm, and I would love to slowly turn my flock in to an all lavender one!

 

[Curnow]

nope Gallo,

Those chicks are andalusian blues, the normal blue. Lavender is a very pale blue and is a gene unto itself. It is recessive , which means both parents have to have a copy of it for it to show in the offspring. Yes it does dilute red/gold to a pale buff color. A good common case of this it a porcelain. Porcelain is nothing more than a lavender based mille fleur. So now you can kinda have an idea of it's effect on the colors. It only dilutes reds and golds, covers black and blue, no other colors are effected by it

I now this is old, but hoping for the best on getting an answer.
So does this mean if I cross a Lavender Ameraucana Rooster with a Gold Laced English Orpington hen it will dilute the red to lighter red (buff) or porcelain at F1?

 

[The Moonshiner]

Nope.
Lavender is recessive. To be lavender they need to get one lavender gene from each parent.
Lavender does dilute not only black but also gold red buff etc. So it would lighten the gold if you put lavender on the gold laced pattern.
You cross would produce offspring that carried the lavender gene called split to lavender.
It will also kill your gold laced pattern by bringing in the lavender extended black.

 

[FowlStuff]

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but couldnt the self blue gene be breed out?

I hadn't seen this thread before and noticed this old question as I glanced thru some posts.
I know that d'Anvers and some other breeds call lavender self blue and that is up to them, but there is no "self blue" gene...there in a recessive lavender (lav) gene that is responsible for the lavender variety. I created LF lavender Ameraucanas and there are some folks that are now referring to them as self blue, but I know what I created.
Read more in The Case for Lavender

 

[OYLFarm]

Hi, my name is Courtney and I am working on breeding a lav silkie line. I have done quite a bit of research on how to do it, but I’m having a hard time figuring out how to tell the standard of what makes a lav silkie. I have 2 young birds now that aren’t showing distinct characteristics of being splash, but I don’t want to say they are lav yet either. Any opinions are wonderful!!

 

[The Moonshiner]

What are their parents?
Splash and lavender are totally different genes. Most breeders don't cross them so are your birds from a BBS line, lavender line or?

 

[OYLFarm]

Father is Blue and mother is either blue or splash. My breeder didn’t intend to breed for lav and most of her splash are clearly splash at hatch. Both also showed as yellow when they were young which seems to be the norm in lav chicks from my research.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I'd agree with lavender having a yellow hue when chicks.
But the lavender doesn't come from BBS breeding.
It is possible for blues and splash to be carrying lavender unseen since its recessive but it would of had to be bred in at some point.
Does the breeder not know of lavender in their lines?
I would think if you got two from same breeders that others would of been popping up.
At first glance yours looked splash but I can see where lavender may be a possiblity, maybe.
I have no experience with lavender in silkies and I know the silkie feathers can throw colors off compared to same color on normal feathered birds.
Good looking birds for sure. Hopefully a lavender silkie will know more.

 

[OYLFarm]

So from what I have found the lav gene is totally separate from the “B” genes that give black, blue, and splash but can be carried by any of those. It is possible that she has had lav show up but didn’t recognize them as such since she wasn’t breeding for them. When I got the chicks I expected splash but they aren’t showing the distinction that I have seen with “spots” or “patches” of dark over a lighter shade. I know one is a cockerel and believe the other is a pullet so I plan to breed them exclusively. Thank you, both seem to fit standard well from what I know but I’m far from an expert at this. I appreciate your help.