lavender (self blue)

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

be mighty hard... splash only comes from blue to blue, blue to splash, or splash to splash

you'd have to breed lavender to a splash, but then your getting black I thinks, so it's gonna be tuff to do that and keep split splash....

 

[hdowden]

lets see if i have this right...if i breed my lavender d'uccle to my pocelain i should get all lavender babies carrying the patteren gene correct. if i breed him to my mille for which has porcelain heratige what should i get? could i possably get some blue millies assuming that she is carrying a lavender gene or would he also have to be carrying the patteren gene to get blue millie? is there any way to tell what i would get from him and my millie?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

lets see if i have this right...if i breed my lavender d'uccle to my pocelain i should get all lavender babies carrying the patteren gene correct. if i breed him to my mille for which has porcelain heratige what should i get? could i possably get some blue millies assuming that she is carrying a lavender gene or would he also have to be carrying the patteren gene to get blue millie? is there any way to tell what i would get from him and my millie?

yes, a lavender to a lavender based pattern bird ( mottled in this case) will give you all lavenders the first time, and yes they will all be split ( carry) mottling.

On the milles, if you breed a solid lavender to a mille, you will get all black, they will be split for both lavnder and mottling.
Now, if ANY come out lavender, then yes you will know then that the milles you have are from porcelains and do in fact carry the lavender gene.
Yes mottling is recessive too, so you cant get mottled chicks from you lavender cock bird unless he is carrying it too.

No, you will not get BLUE off lavender birds. That is Andalusion blue, a totally different gene and color. For blue milles, breed a mille to a solid splash or blue. All those will come out blue split to mottled.
Back breed those, or take them back to the mille. You'll then get some normal milles and some blues.

On the lavnder side of things, Porcelain is already that "blue" version of a mille.

 

[hdowden]

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Originally Posted by Grumpypantsmomma

So I have a White D'Uccle hen who throws buff babies, is she split? and if so is she split to buff?

this was asked today on the d'uccle thread. i think the roo used in the breeding of the offspring is a porcelain if i remeber it right. op has pics of what looks to be a blue millie fluer baby. anyone who can answer this might want to jump to the d'uccle thread were more of the info is located at. on the last page and the page before it is were the infor is located on the thread. thank you

 

[hdowden]

yes, a lavender to a lavender based pattern bird ( mottled in this case) will give you all lavenders the first time, and yes they will all be split ( carry) mottling.

On the milles, if you breed a solid lavender to a mille, you will get all black, they will be split for both lavnder and mottling.
Now, if ANY come out lavender, then yes you will know then that the milles you have are from porcelains and do in fact carry the lavender gene.
Yes mottling is recessive too, so you cant get mottled chicks from you lavender cock bird unless he is carrying it too.

No, you will not get BLUE off lavender birds. That is Andalusion blue, a totally different gene and color. For blue milles, breed a mille to a solid splash or blue. All those will come out blue split to mottled.
Back breed those, or take them back to the mille. You'll then get some normal milles and some blues.

On the lavnder side of things, Porcelain is already that "blue" version of a mille.

you say back breed them...since i only have the lavender rooster would i breed brother to sister or breed son to mother? should i be able to tell who the mom is of any eggs i hatch out?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

That was for making a blue version, but yes works both way
Any time you are dealing with a recessive color and you breed it to a differnet color the resulting offspring are splits.
The only way to get the recessive color back into your birds is
1) back breed, mate siblings
or
2) take the split offspring back to the parent color that showed this trait, doesnt have to be a father or mother, just have the same recessive gene

I just answered the d'uccle thread a few minutes ago too.

That's recessive white they are dealing with. They most likely arent splits, the white is just masking the genetics of the birds they have. Recessive white can be a pain that way if you personally didnt breed it and know whats in it

 

[hdowden]

i really like blue millie's. would they breed true if i get a trio? since blue is different than lavender, what would lavender do to a blue millie if breed together?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

black or blue are more less the same when it comes to how they are effected by lavender, you'd just end up with porcelain in the long run, first cross would just be milles

yes, blue millies, well to a degree breed true
they breed just like any other blue
blue to blue 50% blue 25% black 25% splash

then there are the various ratios for combos of those

 

[Blue CopperHen]

on the first question


well, see both lavender and porcelain are expressing lavender visually, so every one of those would be lavender chicks, they would also be split to mottled (as mottling is recessive also)


So all your F1 chicks will be lavender split mottled. Now if you back breed these, you will get both mottled and split mottled chicks. The result will be

lavender, lavender mottled, porcelain, lavender based buff columbians, and possibly a few lavender based duckwings. The mottled will be obvious, the non mottled colors should be splits for mottling.


I have heard of this so called lethal gene in lavenders. I personally have bred lavender to about every pattern I have and in various lavender to lavender combos. I've never once had any random deaths from any sort of lethal gene...Personally I dont put much faith in it. I feel it has more to do with inbred lines than color .  One thing with lavender though that I have seen while working in the longtails especially is, it has a feather type altering effect. It can at times make them brittle, some seem to stay in pin feather around the wing bow area all the time too. It's easily corrected by culling and breeding the ones that dont show this. But that is the only effect I have ever run into with the lavender color in general.



Now for the mille fleur question,


Yes it could be split for  lavender, all depends. You say it has porcelain in it Heritage, that's the big question. Where in it's heritage? If it had a porcelain parent, then yes it no doubt is 100% split for lavender. If it was 2-3-4 generations back, it may or may not be carrying it  (refer back to my breeding the color OUT  post)  On the F1 cross, all will be  split

if you take these again back to mille, it cuts the ratio of splits in half, then again and again with each generation. AND all this assumes  one of the parents was always a split, if it wasnt, then there is no longer any chance of lavender being in the line.


On lavender F1 splits, it's easy... They are ALL splits.  From there on those you will be getting both split and non split black phase birds. There is no way to VISUALLY tell these apart. You have to breed them and see if they throw lavenders when bred to another lavender. If so they were splits.  I never bother with splits outside of the first generation due to this, you end up test breeding them a year to find out what it was.


Now as to what it will produce ( your mille that is) all depends on what you are breeding it to?

Bred to milles  = all milles

bred to porcelain (if a true split) = 50% porcelain and 50% milles ( all these milles will again be split lavender.


If you plan to breed it to another color, let me know and I will be glad to post the possible results.

 

[Blue CopperHen]

Now what would i get if i crossed a lavender ameraucana with a blue ameraucana?