Lavender X Buff Orpington cross

[MuscovyMadness]

No. That's not how Isabel is made. Isabel is a partridge bird with 2 copies of the lavender gene. When you cross lavender and buff you get blacks with gold leakage. They are not partridge and they do not breed true. Isabel breeds true (partridge x partridge = partridge). The offspring of lav x buff will never breed true. When bred together you get a huge variety of colors including birds that can be solid buff, solid black, solid lavender, black with lots of minimal gold leakage, buffs with a tag of black showing through ect ect. Lavender x Buff doesn't make Isabel. It makes lavenders with gold leakage.

Not sure if this post was meant for me. I never asked about the Isabel color but this came right after my last 2 posts. Was hoping to get in touch with people who crossbred buff and lavender orpingtons and then bred the offspring etc

 

[RimmerFarm]

Thank you for this. Some of my hens are gold based... They are a cross between buff x lavender, which produced a partridge type split. See my images above. Am I calculating wrong? Some of these lavender chicks have gold tones. Thank you!! Joanne

lavender x Buff doesn't produce Isabel. What your producing is lavenders with gold leakage which is extremely undesirable in lavenders. Isabel Orpingtons are partridge with lavender gene not lavenders with leakage. The gold color your seeing on the f1 buff x lav chicks is leakage not partridge. Isabel will breed true. Partridge will breed true. Leakage doesn't breed true. You wont get consistant offspring from this cross and it wont give you true Isabel, just a Isabel "look alike".

 

[miasria]

lavender x Buff doesn't produce Isabel. What your producing is lavenders with gold leakage which is extremely undesirable in lavenders. Isabel Orpingtons are partridge with lavender gene not lavenders with leakage. The gold color your seeing on the f1 buff x lav chicks is leakage not partridge. Isabel will breed true. Partridge will breed true. Leakage doesn't breed true. You wont get consistant offspring from this cross and it wont give you true Isabel, just a Isabel "look alike".

Have you bred the Isabel color? I would enjoy reading your input. Unless Im mistaken, i thought You can get Isabel from any gold toned color patterned.

This image is a young rooster out of a Lavender rooster x hen that is a lavender split to buff... Black split. I am hoping that when I breed him to something out of the same that I will get Some Isabel. It's a project.


Another poster wrote a lot of good information regarding the leakage and provided us with a nice genetic color write up.

 

[miasria]

Still hoping to connect with those who crossed Lavender Orpington Rooster with a Buff Orpington hen. My little brown chicks from this cross are SO SWEET and I love the color/pattern (though I don't know what to call it). Previous post is mine....pics of parents and few babies. Updating pics of this color cross. Those who have experimented with this color combo.......what were the offspring if bred back to the Lavender Roo OR to one another. Hoping to see some photos. ...

Here are my little ones.....have 6 and they all look very similar.

Just saw your post! Thank you for sharing. Those look like some of my young pullets. Yours look like pullets. I just posted an image of a young rooster.

 

[miasria]

Not sure if this post was meant for me. I never asked about the Isabel color but this came right after my last 2 posts. Was hoping to get in touch with people who crossbred buff and lavender orpingtons and then bred the offspring etc

I believe it was meant for me.

 

[MuscovyMadness]

Just saw your post! Thank you for sharing. Those look like some of my young pullets. Yours look like pullets. I just posted an image of a young rooster.

Ya! Some action on this thread.
I saw your boy.....cutie. My pullets are getting fluffier now and are sweet like all my Orpingtons. What would you suggest I breed them to??

 

[RimmerFarm]

Have you bred the Isabel color? I would enjoy reading your input. Unless Im mistaken, i thought You can get Isabel from any gold toned color patterned.

This image is a young rooster out of a Lavender rooster x hen that is a lavender split to buff... Black split. I am hoping that when I breed him to something out of the same that I will get Some Isabel. It's a project.


Another poster wrote a lot of good information regarding the leakage and provided us with a nice genetic color write up.

Yes the majority of the info provided by that user was correct except for the genetic makup of specifically an "Isabel Orpington" and that lavenders are silver allele. Most all Lavenders are gold allele not silver. Isabel "Orpingtons" are Partridge diluted by the lavender gene... so are Brahmas. They are not red or gold birds diluted by the lavender gene. They are a very specific set of genetics. Im speaking specifically of the Orpington breed only. Theres a few great groups on facebook which can help you out. First one is "Rare Breed Orpington Chat" and the second one is "Poultry Colours and Genetics". Both groups have some of the worlds top breeders and genetic master minds.

 

[miasria]

Yes the majority of the info provided by that user was correct except for the genetic makup of specifically an "Isabel Orpington" and that lavenders are silver allele. Most all Lavenders are gold allele not silver. Isabel "Orpingtons" are Partridge diluted by the lavender gene... so are Brahmas. They are not red or gold birds diluted by the lavender gene. They are a very specific set of genetics. Im speaking specifically of the Orpington breed only. Theres a few great groups on facebook which can help you out. First one is "Rare Breed Orpington Chat" and the second one is "Poultry Colours and Genetics". Both groups have some of the worlds top breeders and genetic master minds.

Thank you! I do have a small group of young English cuckoo Isabels from fancy chick & ewe crazy lines. This is why I am of the belief that patterned gold tones will produce Isabel. I see what you mean about consistency however. That being said, the dilution of the gold and black tones negates the distinct patterning anyways... Doesn't it? What I mean is that the Isabel patterning isn't distinct.

Here are some of my young english cuckoo isabels. They are about 4 months old out of eggs I hatched. Thank you for the group list. I will join those.

 

[RimmerFarm]

Thank you! I do have a small group of young English cuckoo Isabels from fancy chick & ewe crazy lines. This is why I am of the belief that patterned gold tones will produce Isabel. I see what you mean about consistency however. That being said, the dilution of the gold and black tones negates the distinct patterning anyways... Doesn't it? What I mean is that the Isabel patterning isn't distinct.

Here are some of my young english cuckoo isabels. They are about 4 months old out of eggs I hatched. Thank you for the group list. I will join those.

No the pattern isnt distinct because people arent using proper birds for their breeding program. A proper Isabel will display good partridge pattern. Brahmas have established proper pattern in their Isabels mainly because breeders were serious about their Partridge birds having proper patern. Partridge Orpingtons in their own are still a project. There just arent very many breeders who are serious about the color enough to breed it properly thus Isabels have poor pattern which you speak of. This can only be resolved by proper breeding. I understand that tje outward appearance may appear to the eye to just be gold tones but its not.

 

[miasria]

No the pattern isnt distinct because people arent using proper birds for their breeding program. A proper Isabel will display good partridge pattern. Brahmas have established proper pattern in their Isabels mainly because breeders were serious about their Partridge birds having proper patern. Partridge Orpingtons in their own are still a project. There just arent very many breeders who are serious about the color enough to breed it properly thus Isabels have poor pattern which you speak of. This can only be resolved by proper breeding. I understand that tje outward appearance may appear to the eye to just be gold tones but its not.

Thank you for your input!