Layena Ingredients

[donrae]

I have someone who wants to buy some of my chicken eggs, they said they can't Have any corn or soy, my cChickens eat Purina layena 50lb bag and mixed is a flock block 25lb bag. The little bit of corn mixed into that from the flock block would it affect the person with corn/soy alergy? [email protected]

Eggs meeting their expectations are going to be very expensive. Commercial feed is corn, soy and wheat, you'll have to go one of the specialty feeds if you want to sell corn/soy free eggs. I wouldn't bother, myself, unless it was a close family member.

 

[Cindy in PA]

Purina makes a corn & soy free feed under the "Home Grown" name. Don't know where you are, but the feed store here just got it recently. It is mostly wheat with canola meal & alfalfa.

 

[chixmaidservice]

If your chicken feed has a separate paper tag sewn onto the bag seam, (most commercial products) that means that the recipe ingredients for that feed are liable to change w/ the commodities market. Search for a feed w/ a dedicated recipe that is printed on the bag. That would be the only way to be safe selling to a person suffering w/ food allergies. There are only a handful of companies that make dedicated recipe feeds, so serious searching may be required. I learned this lesson the hard way w/ a horse that was susceptible to grain induced laminitis, 12 bags of "safe choice" horse feed over a 12 month period during the high prices for corn and soy last year had some serious changes between bag 1 and bag 12. Save your paper tags for a year and compare!

 

[SunnySkies]

Flock Blocks have the first ingredient as corn.

Layena is corn and soy.

Good luck finding a corn and soy free feed....there isn't one in my area.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

If your chicken feed has a separate paper tag sewn onto the bag seam, (most commercial products) that means that the recipe ingredients for that feed are liable to change w/ the commodities market. Search for a feed w/ a dedicated recipe that is printed on the bag. That would be the only way to be safe selling to a person suffering w/ food allergies. There are only a handful of companies that make dedicated recipe feeds, so serious searching may be required. I learned this lesson the hard way w/ a horse that was susceptible to grain induced laminitis, 12 bags of "safe choice" horse feed over a 12 month period during the high prices for corn and soy last year had some serious changes between bag 1 and bag 12. Save your paper tags for a year and compare!

This is not entirely true. Having a formula printed on the bag does not equate to a locked formula, although it is a better indication that it is locked. You need to examine the tag for the ingredients. The industry is allowed to use Collective Terms for ingredients to allow a formula to change without having to change the tag with every batch. For instance, instead of putting Corn and Wheat on the tag we can use Grain Products, instead of placing Soybean Meal, Cottonseed Meal, or Sunflower Meal on the tag the term Plant Protein Product is used.

Look at your tags to better understand wheat is in your feed. If you want something that is Corn and Soybean free that will be readily advertised on the label or the packaging.

 

[bugkiller]

As far as the person being allergic to soy or corn I don't think the chicken eating the nwill have an effect. can they eat eggs from the store. I can almost guarantee that the commercially raised chickens are fed corn and soy, I don't think you will find a chicken feed on the market that is no corn or soy based.

 

[SunnySkies]

There are a LOT of people who can't eat eggs from any source because of the soy in the eggs secondary to the hens' diet. These people have to avoid eggs and chicken. It usually starts with them thinking they are allergic to eggs, but then they usually realize it is soy itself that is the problem. But the isoflavinoids in the soy do affect the eggs. Hence the hunt for soy free eggs. This actually just happened to a friend of mine. Her son was thought to be allergic to eggs, chicken, dairy, wheat, etc, but testing showed it was the soy as the root cause of all his allergies. Dropped the soy, and he feels much better and can eat many more things.

Here is an article with some info
http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/soy-protein-present-in-all-egg-yolks-and-chicken-tissues/

As far as the corn, that is usually asked for by people trying to avoid GMOs, not as often for allergy reasons. Soy is also usually GMO, so someone may also be asking for soy-free for this reason, not because of allergies.

In any case, it is difficult to find corn and soy free commercial feed. There are a few out there, but not many. It is easier to find soy free than it is corn and soy free. If you google corn soy free chicken feed, you will find them. Whether or not you a) can afford them and b) find them in your area is a completely different story.

 

[nepoisopen]

Just because I like to overdo everything in my life, I've been mixing my own feeds, and have a soy free, corn free recipe that I use.
If you want the recipe, I'll post my google doc spreadsheet with varying ones.
What I recommend to anyone who is wanting to go this route is this: Sprout or Grow Fodder as supplementary greens when using these recipes, and give the girls at least 4 weeks to get "used" to this, during those 4 weeks, you may notice some drop in laying, and overall what could be perceived as "disturbing" changes, but this is simply them getting used to the new feed, some would probably recommend "tapering" them down to the new feed, but I never did, too much troubles!
;-)
Hope this helps those who are looking to feed soy free, corn free.
Oh, and I use Azure Standard to source some of my harder to find stuff because I like going organic, but I think you could get away with not going organic and saving a ton of money.
One final thing, I realize my spreadsheet isn't ideal in it's setup, and those prices are what I get locally, feel free to copy it and fill in your own values.
If you wanna leave comments, feel free, just add a sheet.
;-)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Atd5YN3TZWuHdHdOWTBkSnNVWGFBdE1KUkcxTWFRZXc

I also supplement my base chicken feed recipes with fish meal to up the protein for the breeders.
I try to feed my breeders 24% - 26% protein.

Also, I feed free choice oyster shell, and kelp meal, and redmonds salt, sometimes, if I'm lazy, I just feed free choice premix, if your girls aren't as confined (mine are in a backyard, so they don't access to a ton of fresh stuff all the time) I don't think it'd be necessary, but I overdo stuff...
Cheers!
-KS

 

[ChickenCanoe]

What's in Layena?

Chicken feed!

Right, but more accurately, it is chicken feed only for birds actively laying. It is approximately 4% calcium which is too high for birds not making shells.

Just because I like to overdo everything in my life, I've been mixing my own feeds, and have a soy free, corn free recipe that I use.
If you want the recipe, I'll post my google doc spreadsheet with varying ones.
What I recommend to anyone who is wanting to go this route is this: Sprout or Grow Fodder as supplementary greens when using these recipes, and give the girls at least 4 weeks to get "used" to this, during those 4 weeks, you may notice some drop in laying, and overall what could be perceived as "disturbing" changes, but this is simply them getting used to the new feed, some would probably recommend "tapering" them down to the new feed, but I never did, too much troubles!
;-)
Hope this helps those who are looking to feed soy free, corn free.
Oh, and I use Azure Standard to source some of my harder to find stuff because I like going organic, but I think you could get away with not going organic and saving a ton of money.
One final thing, I realize my spreadsheet isn't ideal in it's setup, and those prices are what I get locally, feel free to copy it and fill in your own values.
If you wanna leave comments, feel free, just add a sheet.
;-)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Atd5YN3TZWuHdHdOWTBkSnNVWGFBdE1KUkcxTWFRZXc

I also supplement my base chicken feed recipes with fish meal to up the protein for the breeders.
I try to feed my breeders 24% - 26% protein.

Also, I feed free choice oyster shell, and kelp meal, and redmonds salt, sometimes, if I'm lazy, I just feed free choice premix, if your girls aren't as confined (mine are in a backyard, so they don't access to a ton of fresh stuff all the time) I don't think it'd be necessary, but I overdo stuff...
Cheers!
-KS

All chicken feed should have a tag (which people should read) that has a list of ingredients in order of quantity and a guaranteed analysis of things determined to be important in poultry nutrition. (certain amino acids, fat, fiber, calcium phosphorus and salt, at a minimum)

 

[nepoisopen]

Yeah, if you look at my recipes, I put Fertrell's Nutribalancer in them, as well as Redmonds Salt, Crab Meal, Yeast, and Icelandic Kelp, all sources of minerals that are in regular chicken feed.
I'm considering also fermenting my feed mixes, but haven't yet.
-KS