Laying an egg without a shell?

[chickengeorgeto]

Do I have to just sit there and watch them lay? lol

If it means so much to you you could get some trap nests. Check your nests every hour until the culprit is caught in a nest with the evidence.

 

[Beekissed]

The above condition can be a direct result of feeding fermented and sprouted chicken feed. Penicillium viridicatum is where the drug Penicillin comes from. Remember, Penicillin is an antibiotic and long term antibiotic use is a major cause of egg and eggshell abnormalities.

Not sure how you figure that fermented grains/feeds are all contaminated with Penicillium viridicatum but I think that deduction is way off. Fermented feeds actually thicken eggs shells to the degree that they are hard to crack open.

Can you show any information about how fermented chicken feed is "contaminated" with this fungi? Documented studies, please?

 

[chickengeorgeto]

Not sure how you figure that fermented grains/feeds are all contaminated with Penicillium viridicatum but I think that deduction is way off....

I am only reporting professional experts' research and opinions on the subject. I said "could be contaminated" you were the one who took the leap and said ALL.

Have a good day.

 

[Beekissed]

I am only reporting professional experts' research and opinions on the subject.

Have a good day.

The expert that stated it was related to fermented feeds? I didn't catch that one..... Could you give a link to that particular reference and article? Because that looked like something you just typed in there in your own words. The link you provided said only this about that:

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[Beekissed]

And all that is very helpful information, to be sure....but when diagnosing animals or humans, one thinks horses instead of zebras. If everyone is having a common problem and this problem exists in most flocks at this time of year and it's indeed that time of year, then you'd be most likely on target when thinking this is that common problem caused by hormonal fluctuation instead of some weird, exotic reason that would be pretty far fetched in flocks given adequate diets and which are in a normal state of health.

Now, if other symptoms had been presented and these people were not giving a balanced ration of clean feed, then one might start looking for zebras.

 

[Tacampbell1973]

Hi, yes I have had this problem with one of my chickens. I read somewhere that they are getting to much salt in there diet. I had to cut down on the table food scraps I was giving them, and it hasn't happened since. But there are other reasons too, if the salt solution doesn't work

Ironically I too was guilty of that. I thought i was doing a favor by "supplementing" their diets with completely unhealthy things.During the summer i give fruits and melons, but in winter I try to give them warm things and sometimes those would include unflavored Top Ramen noodles and other equally bad things. Of course the chickens loved it but it is too salty for humans, I can only imagine that it must have been 10 times worse for the birds...

 

[Tacampbell1973]

Hello Beekissed if your there....I have one more thing...I found this oddity on the floor of my guinea coop today. It appears to be a mini egg? It has a hard shell but it is the size of a quarter. The dark stuff on the end is poo, i tried to wash it off as best as i could without breaking the shell before I got a pic.None of my guineas have layed yet so am wondering if this is just a premature egg due to a really youngish guinea that hasnt settled in to a pattern of egglaying yet? Or is it even an egg? My husband thought it was a puffball from the yard, but I realy wont know for sure until I open it up to see if it has a yolk... Any ideas>? The picture isnt great but I couldnt find a quarter to put next to it, so used husbands zippo lighter...thank you for help.
Oh yeah, also wanted to say that you were right...both my little girls have started laying regularly now the last three days so far...only prob is one has decided she only wants to come in to lay egg inmy house so about 10-11 am I get a tap on the sliding glass door and a small white bird staring in impatiently.....good grief, how have i become such a slave to these birds... I guess because I love them...

 

[Beekissed]

It's not unusual to get some very tiny first eggs from new layers. Most don't have yolks in them but some have tiny little yolks. I've seen some small as songbird eggs before. Crack it open and explore it...it's always interesting. I've never handled guinea eggs before, so not used to their color patterns but it's likely you've just got a starter egg. Some call them a fart egg, wind egg, etc.

 

[chickengeorgeto]

Mold is associated with dampness. The link between water and mold formation is indisputable.

I find it ironic if not telling that so many feeding fermented feed also report a problem with soft shelled eggs.

I used to feed the same way you do now but I think that I have learned better in the last 30 or so years.

Grain grown in dry or drought conditions is host to a family of mold or smut called aflatoxin. As toxic molds go aflatoxin is among the worst toxins in nature and it is always present in tiny amounts on all grain. If this was not so then it could not survive in nature until the conditions were right for aflatoxin infections to explode.

 

[Beekissed]

Mold is associated with dampness. The link between water and mold formation is indisputable.

I find it ironic if not telling that so many feeding fermented feed also report a problem with soft shelled eggs.

I used to feed the same way you do now but I think that I have learned better in the last 30 or so years.

Grain grown in dry or drought conditions is host to a family of mold or smut called aflatoxin. As toxic molds go aflatoxin is among the worst toxins in nature and it is always present in tiny amounts on all grain. If this was not so then it could not survive in nature until the conditions were right for aflatoxin infections to explode under the right conditions.

So all dampness or water must hold and develop mold? Not if the water is already inoculated with beneficial yeasts that inhibit the growth of harmful molds. I don't know where you are getting your information on FF but I've met no one yet that was feeding it reporting soft shells...on the contrary, those with consistently soft shells in their flocks report this condition corrected by the use of FF. Most are reporting shells so hard they are concerned about incubation and if the chicks can get out of them.

By your calculations, anyone fermenting any foods or beverage are all eating or sipping down mold? Not likely or we would all have been dead long ago. Poisoned by the mycotoxins.

It's nice to make loose connections between damp grain that has been allowed to mold and controlled fermentation but that dog just won't hunt. For some reason you have a bee in your bonnet about fermented feeds but your conclusions are not based in fact. The whole livestock commercial industry are now availing themselves of brewery grains to feed to livestock, poultry included, as well as they have been making silage and feeding it to livestock since time began, fermented grains included.

Sorry...not buying it.