leg band fell off and I don't know what breed this is?

[philter4]

Just to clarify, F1 and F2 does not mean which breeding or which order an egg is laid, all wild birds from the first egg to the last in it's life are first generation, the parents are still wild no matter how many eggs are laid. The designation tells how far away an individuals genes are from a wild bird, that is why as soon as it is bred to a bird that was not from an F generation bloodline the designation no longer applies, you no longer know when the genes from both parents were wild genes. If these were purchased from a breeder in China and he or she did not give you an F designation they are not from wild birds but as I mentioned that in no way, shape, or form means they are not pure. All it means is possibly a different lineage then ones here in the states but it also means the quality and price could have been obtained from local breeders who are very careful and keep records of the bloodlines they breed.

 

[Alien]

Highly doubtful this is true. Ever since the Bird Flu Virus in China and surrounding areas years ago no birds,eggs,etc. cannot be exported from China for years to come also. If done which is
next to impossible out of China these would of had paperwork,and went into quarintene for 30 days
at a great cost. Possibly the eggs were smuggled which I doubt also. Seems far fetched especially with species so cheap and pure birds can be found in the US. I have seen pictures and skins of supposedly pure birds from that area and some are poor quality and hybrids

 

[philter4]

Highly doubtful this is true. Ever since the Bird Flu Virus in China and surrounding areas years ago no birds,eggs,etc. cannot be exported from China for years to come also. If done which is
next to impossible out of China these would of had paperwork,and went into quarintene for 30 days
at a great cost. Possibly the eggs were smuggled which I doubt also. Seems far fetched especially with species so cheap and pure birds can be found in the US. I have seen pictures and skins of supposedly pure birds from that area and some are poor quality and hybrids

There are provisions for pet birds in the USDA, APHIS regulations. Wild birds are not allowed at all but in some very specific instances pet birds that are owned by US citizens can be brought back as long as all of the requirements are met. She said it is her best friend who brought the birds back and she was stationed over there, I am not sure what that means but if the birds went through another country between here and China it is more of a possibility. No matter what to bring the birds back without QT (quarantine) is strictly forbidden and illegal. There are provisions for some pet birds to go through QT at home if all of the conditions are met but I seriously doubt it would be possible from China, even if you could comply with the rules for bringing a bird back into this country from there the risk involved would make me thing it would have to be done at one of the 3 federal QT facilities. To transfer of these birds from your friend to you is a big no-no until after QT and I am not sure if it is legal in any way if the birds were brought in under the pet bird exception. I imported animals for a living all of my life and theoretically could be done but not easily and as you mentioned the cost is prohibitive, especially for a bird that is bred with quality and pure form here in the USA and that would eliminate the legal hassles.

As far as smuggling this happens regularly and people commonly get caught. Last year a Chinese shipment of endangered turtles was confiscated on the east coast but it made it though Hong Kong and Los Angeles with plane changes before being discovered. For someone who is in the military or diplomatic services (again I am not sure about her being "stationed" over there means) it might be easier but not necessarily legal.

 

[floridapoultry]

Hello,
When I got them they kept chasing each other around and pecking at the backs so the breeder told me to put blinders on for awhile. I would like to take them off but not sure how to safely.
My bestfriend was stationed over in China and new I wanted some pure birds so I contacted the breeder there and when she came back to the states last year she brought me a pair or Amherest and Red Golden along with some eggs that I hatched.
Not sure what you mean by F1,2 or 3. They are pure. The parents are beatiful and very bright colors.

Can you also tell me how far away the males have to be from the females without them fighting over the hens. I did hatch some of the eggs and would like to keep some but I don't want to have fights or can I keep 2 males with 3 females.
Patty

Amherst's and Goldens are wild type pheasant species and not pets. How birds and eggs did you import?

 

[philter4]

Amherst's and Goldens are wild type pheasant species and not pets. How birds and eggs did you import?

Because they are ornamental species they are considered pets as written in the law, chickens and doves/pigeons are not included in pet birds, but rather poultry which has a different set of rules for importation.

 

[floridapoultry]

To transfer of these birds from your friend to you is a big no-no until after QT and I am not sure if it is legal in any way if the birds were brought in under the pet bird exception. I imported animals for a living all of my life and theoretically could be done but not easily and as you mentioned the cost is prohibitive, especially for a bird that is bred with quality and pure form here in the USA and that would eliminate the legal hassles.

As far as smuggling this happens regularly and people commonly get caught. Last year a Chinese shipment of endangered turtles was confiscated on the east coast but it made it though Hong Kong and Los Angeles with plane changes before being discovered. For someone who is in the military or diplomatic services (again I am not sure about her being "stationed" over there means) it might be easier but not necessarily legal.

I've got a buddy at APHIS who visits this board and I'll ask him to take a look and see what he thinks. Patty, what I meant to ask above is: How many Golden and Amherst's eggs and birds did you bring in from China?

 

[philter4]

I've got a buddy at APHIS who visits this board and I'll ask him to take a look and see what he thinks. Patty, what I meant to ask above is: How many Golden and Amherst's eggs and birds did you bring in from China?

That would be great if he could put some input into this. Even though I was in the business I never did birds (fish, reptiles and mammals were what I dealt with) and I have been out of the animal import/export business for quite a while so after I read the regulations I am still not clear on several points. My first question is this: Do the birds have to come from the US to be brought back? Also is this applicable to any or all of the countries with bans on the birds? The way I read the regulation it was not clear to me but it was very clear that it has to be a pet bird that you as a citizen owned and was not for sale or commercial purposes.

 

[floridapoultry]

Because they are ornamental species they are considered pets as written in the law, chickens and doves/pigeons are not included in pet birds, but rather poultry which has a different set of rules for importation.

Pheasants are not considered by the USDA to be pet birds as indicated in the readily available information below quoted from the government website:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/live_poultry.shtml

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) defines poultry to include chickens, doves, ducks, geese, grouse, guinea fowl, partridges, pea fowl, pheasants, pigeons, quail, swans, and turkeys. All birds of these species are subject to the import requirements for poultry, and are not considered by the USDA to be pet birds.

Requirements

30-day quarantine at a USDA Animal Import Center
Animal Import Permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb)
Veterinary Health Certificate issued by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the agency responsible for animal health of the national government of the exporting country
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Certification"

 

[philter4]

Pheasants are not considered by the USDA to be pet birds as indicated in the readily available information below quoted from the government website:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/live_poultry.shtml

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) defines poultry to include chickens, doves, ducks, geese, grouse, guinea fowl, partridges, pea fowl, pheasants, pigeons, quail, swans, and turkeys. All birds of these species are subject to the import requirements for poultry, and are not considered by the USDA to be pet birds.

Makes sense, as I mentioned, I never worked with birds and what I read only listed chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese and doves/pigeons, everything else was either a game bird (not allowed) or ornamental which were treated like pets.

 

[Lophura]

Hello,
I have 2 female ornamental birds that I got from China and I went out there to feed them this morning and the band around the leg has come off and I'm not sure if this is the red golden or the amherst. I think it's the amherst but need to make sure. If I need any other info please let me know. Thanks for your help
Patty

You got them from China?!?!?!?!

I'd get those hideous blinders off them, this species doesn't need them and anyone who sticks them on pheasants need to change their husbandry tactics or just get out of raising birds.

Dan