Lemon Cochins

[Sonoran Silkies]

chickencolours.com

Well worth the cost. Think of it as being the equivalent of a college textbook.

The "lemon blue" cochins are a very pretty colour, but not at even close to lemon blue, which is defined by both the APA and ABA.

 

[DANNY]

THESE CAME OUT OF BUFF X SPLASHED.

 

[LilPeeps]

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Those birds do not have proper lemon blue coloring. They look like a blue x buff crossing. Lemon blue is a brown red with a blue gene.

 

[ArizonaNessa]

Thank you for the link to the color book. I am not really looking to have them for anything other than pets but I am always interested in learning more. One can never learn enough.

 

[Krys109uk]

I believe though I think they are breeding true

They don't look as if they would breed true & don't look as if they're likely to be able to be stabilised in their present form. And as the others have said the colour isn't lemon blue as the term is usually used.

 

[Msbear]

"I think" apparently I thought wrong .... You can read more of her post and she explains how her project is going.

 

[Msbear]

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Those birds do not have proper lemon blue coloring. They look like a blue x buff crossing. Lemon blue is a brown red with a blue gene.

I've always believed there were more ways than one to skin a cat. I think that applies here. This is a Lemon Blue project and there are many different roads you can take to get there as long as the outcome is proper coloring as described by the APA and those birds breed true to that color.

Many say that mille fleur coloring must be obtained by using Wheaten ...others say different. The birds I have are a work in progress but some already conform to the color pattern that is mille fleur. They are not breeding 100% true as of yet but the F3 generation is showing great progress and I believe it's only a matter of a few more generations. Still others are taking a different road on the trip to mille fleur but we will all get to the same place eventually.

I am no expert!!!! but this is how I feel

 

[Krys109uk]

Don't get me wrong they look pretty enough.

But they do look like blue X buff. That isn't the fastest or easiest route to lemon blue (as I saw it on Feathersite). You see there is no guarantee that ER (that's gold birchen, crowwing, brown red) is in the blue bird & it certainly won't be in a buff bird. Without ER one will not be able to make a proper lemon blue. It's like trying to make bread without flour.

Maybe she'll be lucky & find the blue had ER in there somewhere. Maybe she'll find a gold birchen & add it. They do have birchen cochins don't they?

The easy way to getting to lemon blue would have been to breed a gold birchen with a blue & put the offspring back with the gold birchen.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Yes, there are multiple ways to "build" a bird of a given variety. However, my impression from the threads on this is that the colour being worked toward is very different than the standard defines. There is even a comment that there is no standard, simply because it is not a recognised variety for cochins. The fact is that the variety is defined, regardless of whether it is recognised for cochins.

I don't have a big issue with calling a bird "crele" who is not e+ as long as the vast majority of the bird matches the definition--all that is lacking is the wing triangle, and for a separate breed is probably an okay omission. If it were to call for barring only on the wings or to require blue rather than black barring, that would be too different..

Adding entirely unrelated colour schemes to an existing name is more of an issue. I am not saying the chosen colour and pattern shouldn't be pursued, only that it needs its own name.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I just skimmed through this and I am confused. The birds pictured arent lemon blue as in lemon blue old english game. The lemon blue I was thinking of is basically a brown red cochin that is blue instead of black on the majority of the body and it should be easy to get in a couple generations.