Lethargic, Puffed up Pullet?? HELP *UPDATE FOUND A DEAD PULLET TODAY!*

[threehorses]

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The product that you bought isn't a vitamin supplement - it's strictly electrolytes. Save it though - you might need it. So no - it wouldn't work for that. You want to use either a poultry packaged product that specifically says "vitamin/mineral supplement" and indicates vitamin levels on the back, or the polyvisol for the other oil vitamins.

On the enzymes, I would stop them for one week as you alternate the vitamins and oacv on different days. Then the second week if you want, you could use it alternate days with the oacv (which has the same effect - but additional benefits) then on the third week just use the enzymes.

On the probios, even though it may still say to use in the water, I recommend using it on a small damp mash in the morning (or any time really - they're just more hungry in the morning) or in a quickly eaten treat. That way you know they get it. I've used on crumbles before, but mainly for birds I know are healthy. Since you have both probios and yogurt, you can use either one or the other. The two aren't necessary together. Pick the one for the situations for which they're easier. I'd use the Probios for the ill birds if she won't eat yogurt, maybe use it if the yogurt you have is just plain - not activia.

I hope this makes more sense. I sent you a lot of stuff all at once.

 

[snowhorse]

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The product that you bought isn't a vitamin supplement - it's strictly electrolytes. Save it though - you might need it. So no - it wouldn't work for that. You want to use either a poultry packaged product that specifically says "vitamin/mineral supplement" and indicates vitamin levels on the back, or the polyvisol for the other oil vitamins.

On the enzymes, I would stop them for one week as you alternate the vitamins and oacv on different days. Then the second week if you want, you could use it alternate days with the oacv (which has the same effect - but additional benefits) then on the third week just use the enzymes.

On the probios, even though it may still say to use in the water, I recommend using it on a small damp mash in the morning (or any time really - they're just more hungry in the morning) or in a quickly eaten treat. That way you know they get it. I've used on crumbles before, but mainly for birds I know are healthy. Since you have both probios and yogurt, you can use either one or the other. The two aren't necessary together. Pick the one for the situations for which they're easier. I'd use the Probios for the ill birds if she won't eat yogurt, maybe use it if the yogurt you have is just plain - not activia.

I hope this makes more sense. I sent you a lot of stuff all at once.

Yes thank you again for all your help. Hopefully this round will solve my problem.

Keep you posted.

 

[threehorses]

I'm definitely crossing my fingers for you over here. Let us know, please? We're subscribed to the post and will be nagging you if we don't hear something.

 

[snowhorse]

so i found my splash andalusian dead this morning. Im getting very discouraged.

i wasnt able to get the right vinegar until today and the vitamin e. so today is the first day of that. with the roo that still is not feeling well.

i found a poop that had some blood in it today as well. i dont know if i should put them on another course of sulmet?

im starting to think im going to lose my whole flock if something doesnt give.

the vitamins i ordered won't be here until next week. there is no place close to me to get any of that stuff.

 

[seminolewind]

If you're finding blood in the stool, all the vitamins yogurt e-lytes are not going to work. I would put them all on a medication for cocci. Do it now, put it in the water. I even soaked a piece of bread in that water and tried to give it to the sick chicken I had with the same symptoms.

My silkie roo seemed like that the beginning of the year. All bunched up, sleepy, not eating. Hid poop turned bright green due to not eating. I treated him for cocci , even tho there wasn't any new chickens. We had alot of rain. Cocci lives in the dirt. I guess they liked the water.

 

[threehorses]

There are no antibiotics that treat cocci. They're protazoa. And this isn't necessarily cocci. There are a few things that create blood in the droppings.

I think we need to get back to the basics of this again.

What had the chickens been treated with in the recent past, what strength, and how long?
What else have they been eating/drinking/being supplemented with in the last week?
What products do you have at the house now to use?
What symptoms (all of them) have you seen. Put an asterisk * by the strongest symptoms.

 

[seminolewind]

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Nathalie, didn't mean antibiotics, meant that med for cocci. I appreciate you calling attention to my error for me. Thanks

 

[seminolewind]

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Chookchick, thank goodness you brought up that poo chart-I had been looking all over for it.

I agree, it sounds like cocci. Or worms/parasites. I've learned the hard way that you should look for the simplist most common reasons first.
That poo chart has helped me out quite a few times

 

[snowhorse]

What had the chickens been treated with in the recent past, what strength, and how long?

I had treated everyone with Sulmet for 6 days in the water. 2 tablespoons per gallon for the first 2 days, and the 1 tbsp per gallon for 4 days.
That treatment ended sometime last week.



What else have they been eating/drinking/being supplemented with in the last week?

The last week, I have spot treated the lethargic birds with PolyViSol 2 drops in the beak. Everyone has been getting yogurt daily. Water changed daily with added organic enzymes to keep the waterers clean. One night last week I put maybe a 1/4 of a cup of Gatorade in the waterers becuase it was so hott, just got a Poultry electrolyte in the mail so will be using that next time.

I just got the Probios, so I did a mash with a little bit of the chick feed, yogurt with a tsp of Probios as my yogurt is plain, just this morning.

Also just got OACV, so I did that in the water today, 1 tbsp per gallon.
As well as spot treated the lethargic bird additionally with the Vitamin E 400IU with Selenium 50mcg 2 drops today.

I gave my older birds as well today some grit for 8 weeks and older birds. No one has had grit yet. I have chick grit for the younger ones and vitamins for the water coming in the mail this coming week.

Otherwise their regular feed is a mix of what I had left of Purina Chick Starter (Unmedicated) and Nutrena NatureWise Chick Starter/Grower (Medicated) I had mixed the medicated feed in last week as well.


What products do you have at the house now to use?

PolyViSol, Vitamin E400 IU w/ Selenium 50mcg, Wazine 17, Sulmet, OACV, Econo-Lyte, Yogurt, Probios, Poultry Grit, lots of chicken books lol.

I should have by 8/6/09 Avia Charge 2000- vitamin for the water, and Chick Grit.

I have horses so misc things for them that I dont know would work for chickens plus dogs, cats I keep alot of stuff for them (Prednisone, Banamine, Bute, Iodine, Vet wrap, Droncit, you name it!) but didnt realize how much stuff I need for my chicks! But I'm still learning.


What symptoms (all of them) have you seen. Put an asterisk * by the strongest symptoms.

*Lethargic, My Roo(Buff Orp) I think looks like his comb is pale esp in comparison to the pullet(Buff Orp) I have, Green poop, *Poop with blood(but also has normal form, not like a pile of blood, just appears to have some blood in the stool), As per that chart there is a lot of normal poop, but I have noticed some of them having like water along with there poop it seems like, Puffed up feathers, And weight seems light in comparsion to the other birds but have seen them eat yogurt and drink not crazy about the food, I did find a couple of poops today that were a light brown in color and very large, a couple of them looked like it had almost come out in multiple pellets instead a nice formed poop

I did examine the Splash Andalusian and her crop looked hard to me, granted rigor had set in, but when I checked on her at night her crop also appeared hard to me when I picked her up (I massaged it a little bit) but it didnt seem swollen at all. I dont know what normal for a crop is really. But otherwise she looked perfectly fine.

As for the Corid, in my area you have to aquire it from a vet which I am having difficulty doing, I havent had a chance to look into possible seeing if New Hampshire you can just buy it.

 

[threehorses]

Because you had treated for coccidiosis exactly as the label states, I'm not entirely certain this is coccidiosis. Were you able to clean the area, get all the bedding very dry, disinfect waterers and whatnot?

If you do treat her with Sulmet, I'd treat only her - and I'd use the coryza labeling of 2 tablespoons per gallon of water for 6 days. Be sure to use probiotics daily during treatment to replace depleted gut bacteria.

I'd boost the vitamins to 3 drops a day in the beak for 4 days. I'd continue the yogurt, keep her on the feed (maybe the new feed will make a difference). I'd keep her a little cooler than the others to eliminate excessive heat stress from interfering with her healing.

Do you have a vet to whom you can take a fecal sample for a "fecal egg count"? They're not very expensive and if you have a vet who will do that for you, you can eliminate the possibility of worms which IS possible at that age. Worms and other bacterial infections of the digestive tract can also cause blood in the feces especially in small amounts. At her age, given her lethargy, I'd want to rule out worms but I don't know that I'd worm her exactly since she's not in full health.

That could explain her lightness. Sulmet won't treat worms. IF she is found to have them, I'd use Wazine 17 and repeat in 4 weeks.

Thanks for typing everything out again. Sometimes it's good just to regroup and see exactly what we're dealing with in a fresh view.

I'd also consider supplementing all the birds with electrolytes in their water since you lost another. Do you feel the bloody droppings were at all from her?