Let's talk Cuckoo and WHITE marans... breeding strategies...

[HenThymes]

I only hatch from the darkest eggs and feather legged too but it does not seem to carry 100% on any of the varieties.

Did you use a Wheaten in your line? There was much debate about it on another thread. I always thought to use the Black Copper X Cuckoo. Wheaten would be nearly impossible to get to breed true if bred into GC. BUT if a peson unknowingly used a line of BCM that had wheaten hidden somewhere....... You never know what you will get. I had that problem last year. I spent most of the summer trying to figure out what I really had.

I noticed the crow wing is golden on your younger ones in the top, that was why I asked about the wheaten.

No, it's not the wheaten they are carrying it's the gold duckwing (aka salmon). From my original hatch I had what I thought was wheaten only later to discover he was duckwing. I sold him but he is still local.

 

[OHmamma]

That is really interesting to me too. Another breeder said to use the Golden Salmon. Do you think they will keep popping up on you?

The crossing (gold duckwing X Cuckoo) kind of makes them all over the place genetics wise. I wonder how long you will have to breed them to get them true? Of course I still wonder that about a lot of things.....

The goldens I have now are BCM x Cuckoo. I see already that there are a few standard colored cuckoo in them as well. The ones that are golden are going to be FABULOUS! I can't wait to get them grown. I will try to get some newer pictuers of them tomorrow. The breeder I bought them from has bred them for several generations. She has had no BCM pop up just silver or gold cuckoo. Their leg feathering varies from none to almost too much.

 

[HenThymes]

I hope to know with this breeding what all I will get. I am hoping to start to narrow down the random colors and just get golds and silvers if any?? Just have to find something to do with those salmon girls.

 

[OHmamma]

I think some form of the salmon may always hide in there.

I don't think it is possible to eliminate silver cuckoo completely from them any way you make them. I am going to keep my goldens together out of this batch and use a BCM over a couple of the hens to see if I can improve the egg color.

 

[3riverschick]

No, it's not the wheaten they are carrying it's the gold duckwing (aka salmon). From my original hatch I had what I thought was wheaten only later to discover he was duckwing. I sold him but he is still local.

A Golden Salmon is not a Golden Duckwing or a Gold Duckwing. I know a lot of folks keep calling GS these names. They' re incorrect.

Gold Duckwing and Golden Duckwing both carry the silver gene.

Ever since the names were invented. Golden Salmon has 2 names: "Golden Salmon" and "The Black-Breasted Cock with the salmon-breasted , stippled hen". A Silver Salmon is a Silver Duckwing. A Golden Salmon is not, and never will be, a Gold Duckwing. It's confusing, but proper naming is the only way to explain to the poultry world what color one is breeding.
There is an unstable relationship between Wheaten, BTB and Golden Salmon. One can get each of the colors by using the other 2 colors. However, the resulting birds will be heterozygotes and never breed true until they are weaned from the genetic trivimerate and returned to their pure genotype state. One should never refer to any of the three colors as that color unless one has proven the birds are pure for that color. It is causing grave confusion in the breed and frustrating many serious folk who wish to breed the three color pallettes in their true form. If one has crossed the colors or knows the birds are not pure for their desired color, this should always be mentioned when the birds are sold.
Karen Tewart

 

[Hens and Roos]

We have our hatch of Cuckoo Marans happening today, so far 6 chicks out with 3 more working on getting out and 4 eggs not sure what they are doing.

 

[OHmamma]

A Golden Salmon is not a Golden Duckwing or a Gold Duckwing. I know a lot of folks keep calling GS these names. They' re incorrect.

Gold Duckwing and Golden Duckwing both carry the silver gene.

Ever since the names were invented. Golden Salmon has 2 names: "Golden Salmon" and "The Black-Breasted Cock with the salmon-breasted , stippled hen". A Silver Salmon is a Silver Duckwing. A Golden Salmon is not, and never will be, a Gold Duckwing. It's confusing, but proper naming is the only way to explain to the poultry world what color one is breeding.
There is an unstable relationship between Wheaten, BTB and Golden Salmon. One can get each of the colors by using the other 2 colors. However, the resulting birds will be heterozygotes and never breed true until they are weaned from the genetic trivimerate and returned to their pure genotype state. One should never refer to any of the three colors as that color unless one has proven the birds are pure for that color. It is causing grave confusion in the breed and frustrating many serious folk who wish to breed the three color pallettes in their true form. If one has crossed the colors or knows the birds are not pure for their desired color, this should always be mentioned when the birds are sold.
Karen Tewart

Thanks for the explanation Karen, I often get confused with all the duck wing / salmon names I can see the difference (ie. the duckwing color) in them but I never quite got the naming.

I discovered the close relationship last season when I crossed what was supposed to be a blue copper roo with a black copper hen of two different bloodlines. I ended up with one wheaten pullet and one salmon one. I found out that wheaten could produce either so that helped me determine that I did not have what I thought I did even though neither parent looked wheaten at all. I just concluded that by crossing the two I introduced enough of the eWh gene to effect the offspring. It was Very disappointing considering the price I paid for the Coppers.

 

[OHmamma]

We have our hatch of Cuckoo Marans happening today, so far 6 chicks out with 3 more working on getting out and 4 eggs not sure what they are doing.

Woo Hooo!

I am anxiously awaiting mine.I have a whole mess of them due out on April 3rd.

I do have an assortment of others coming out, Ohio Duckwing, Blue Marans, BLR Wyandotte, Silkie, Cochin, Polish........

 

[Jake Levi]

Hello
This is a fascinating thread,

do any of you folks have pics to illustrate the pure colors of these?

 

[HenThymes]

A Golden Salmon is not a Golden Duckwing or a Gold Duckwing. I know a lot of folks keep calling GS these names. They' re incorrect.

Gold Duckwing and Golden Duckwing both carry the silver gene.

Ever since the names were invented. Golden Salmon has 2 names: "Golden Salmon" and "The Black-Breasted Cock with the salmon-breasted , stippled hen". A Silver Salmon is a Silver Duckwing. A Golden Salmon is not, and never will be, a Gold Duckwing. It's confusing, but proper naming is the only way to explain to the poultry world what color one is breeding.
There is an unstable relationship between Wheaten, BTB and Golden Salmon. One can get each of the colors by using the other 2 colors. However, the resulting birds will be heterozygotes and never breed true until they are weaned from the genetic trivimerate and returned to their pure genotype state. One should never refer to any of the three colors as that color unless one has proven the birds are pure for that color. It is causing grave confusion in the breed and frustrating many serious folk who wish to breed the three color pallettes in their true form. If one has crossed the colors or knows the birds are not pure for their desired color, this should always be mentioned when the birds are sold.
Karen Tewart

Thank you for the clarification, I have only been going from what I have been told by most here in byc.

Bev called them (my birds) Gold Duckwings. Sooo confused.

I am still learning as I go with this breed as it is not my primary, but any help in the right direction is welcomed. Are these Duckwing or Salmon??? I know this is a cuckoo thread but these all started from a gold cuckoo flock which originated with Braden, Jeane and Davis lines.

Do you have pictures that show differences in Duckwing & Salmon???

This is the original cockerel (pic at 6 months) *I no longer have this bird*


One of the pullets


Pullets (pic taken a few days ago) I have 4 pullets of these pullets