Let's talk Cuckoo and WHITE marans... breeding strategies...

[RAREROO]

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Ghost Barring is generally faint barring showing under one copy of dominant white on a white bird. This is a Ghost barred cockerel I hatched from a Black Sexlink rooster on hatchery RIWhite hens.

These were the parents.

If you hatched chicks from a BCM roo on Cuckoo hens, then you should have gotten Sexlinks..... non barred/cuckoo pullets and dark cuckoo roos with only one copy of barring.

And yes, some more pictures of the Whites Marans would be awesome.

 

[OHmamma]

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Ghost Barring is generally faint barring showing under one copy of dominant white on a white bird. This is a Ghost barred cockerel I hatched from a Black Sexlink rooster on hatchery RIWhite hens.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/37373_w_bar_roo_2.jpg
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/37373_w_bar_roo.jpg

These were the parents.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/37373_100_5675.jpg

If you hatched chicks from a BCM roo on Cuckoo hens, then you should have gotten Sexlinks..... non barred/cuckoo pullets and dark cuckoo roos with only one copy of barring.

And yes, some more pictures of the Whites Marans would be awesome.

Thanks Clint. That is exactly what the roo has except he is solid blue from my silver roo over a Sport White hen. It is a cool pattern on him. Too bad he is a roo. The pullet from the pairing doesn't have it.

OK so my dumb question of the day. I met a guy that was selling Cuckoo Marans. BUT they had yellow legs I told him they looked like barred rock or dominique but since they were sold to him as Marans he believed they were. I think the parents were from a hatchery but I am not sure. Anyway he is from England and he said they looked like the marnas he had in england. Perhaps he didn't notice feet color back then or do they have yellow legs in the UK??

Just wondering......

 

[edgarmongold]

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Ghost Barring is generally faint barring showing under one copy of dominant white on a white bird. This is a Ghost barred cockerel I hatched from a Black Sexlink rooster on hatchery RIWhite hens.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/37373_w_bar_roo_2.jpg
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/37373_w_bar_roo.jpg

These were the parents.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/37373_100_5675.jpg

If you hatched chicks from a BCM roo on Cuckoo hens, then you should have gotten Sexlinks..... non barred/cuckoo pullets and dark cuckoo roos with only one copy of barring.

And yes, some more pictures of the Whites Marans would be awesome.

Thanks Clint. That is exactly what the roo has except he is solid blue from my silver roo over a Sport White hen. It is a cool pattern on him. Too bad he is a roo. The pullet from the pairing doesn't have it.

OK so my dumb question of the day. I met a guy that was selling Cuckoo Marans. BUT they had yellow legs I told him they looked like barred rock or dominique but since they were sold to him as Marans he believed they were. I think the parents were from a hatchery but I am not sure. Anyway he is from England and he said they looked like the marnas he had in england. Perhaps he didn't notice feet color back then or do they have yellow legs in the UK??

Just wondering......

Run, run as fast and as far as you can from "yellow legged Marans".

You will have to test mate any white legged offspring you get out of them to make sure they are pure for white legs.

An expensive method at best.

 

[VillageChicken]

Interesting about the ghost barring. I have a barred columbian (delaware) patterned bird with that kind of barring - it's even more faint, and it's not from dominant white. I think he's heterozygous silver.

OHbig - your sport white must be carrying Blue under the recessive white to make a blue barred bird with your silver cuckoo. Dominant white would wash out any eumelanin even in one dose, so I don't think that's the case with your ghost barred blue bird. Maybe he's the blue version of a very dark cuckoo. Your sport would not likely carry dominant white, otherwise I wouldn't classify him as a sport. Dominant whites come from at least one white parent bird.

Barring itself tends to bleach out pheomelanin - I have red birds from the same parents, some with barring, some without, and all the barred birds are much lighter than their unbarred siblings. But their barring is very faint, as you are describing on your blue bird.

 

[VillageChicken]

The only difference between UK and other cuckoos is the shank feathering.
Foreign folks can be ignorant too.

 

[HenThymes]

Evening all, for anyone that may be interested I just listed a Bantam marans pair on the 8wk & under. The cockerel is cuckoo and the pullet is black. I am just starting to narrow my group down.

 

[VillageChicken]

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so is it possible for the bird not to carry either one of the 2 needed dominant factors and would be considered recessive? this would be the end goal correct?

Your end goal is correct. Unless you keep a bunch of sprigged birds as testers, I don't think it's possible to completely rid your flock of both factors. All you can do is try to cull out parent birds that throw sprigs, or try to find combinations within your flock that don't throw sprigs. It would be hard to cull an otherwise really nice bird because it carries one factor and creates sprigs when combined with a bird with the other factor.

Sprigs pop up in other varieties as well. I think the single factors are out there in many lines, and varieties, and don't show up until someone does a random or weird cross that brings in the second factor. If the line you work on only carries the one factor, but breeds true and doesn't create sprigs, I wouldn't worry too much. If someone buys your birds and crosses in some new blood and gets sprigs, then that's their issue when it happens. Any line (even the "famous" ones) carry recessive genes that get messy when lines are crossed.

 

[OHmamma]

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Thanks Clint. That is exactly what the roo has except he is solid blue from my silver roo over a Sport White hen. It is a cool pattern on him. Too bad he is a roo. The pullet from the pairing doesn't have it.

OK so my dumb question of the day. I met a guy that was selling Cuckoo Marans. BUT they had yellow legs I told him they looked like barred rock or dominique but since they were sold to him as Marans he believed they were. I think the parents were from a hatchery but I am not sure. Anyway he is from England and he said they looked like the marnas he had in england. Perhaps he didn't notice feet color back then or do they have yellow legs in the UK??

Just wondering......

Run, run as fast and as far as you can from "yellow legged Marans".

You will have to test mate any white legged offspring you get out of them to make sure they are pure for white legs.

An expensive method at best.

Thanks Ed

I was not planning on getting them. I was just looking around at the SWOP group swap Saturday. I have all the cuckoos I ever wanted at my house

He had bought chicks labeled "Cuckoo Marans" from cackle hatchery and they sold him BR or Doms. He was a nice guy not trying to rob anyone or anything and they were healthy looking at least. I don't think he really knew about the Marans breed in detail, it is funny how some people don't even think about leg color or comb shape etc. they just see the pattern and brown egg.....I sold some of my culls and older stock, and he saw mine was really amazed at the egg color and shank color and feathering difference between his and mine. I think he might have went away a little more enlightened. Now he wants some of my blues and Splashes. Apparenty they are not very common in the UK.

 

[OHmamma]

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Thanks VC. I have them all running together now and I can't seem to find that particular one to photo. I am not sure if it is a hen or roo but I will find it. It also lost its leg band so it could be from one of my black hens.

Here are some pics of my whites from the PA eggs.

I told them to "strike a pose"

 

[Raven1]

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Thanks VC. I have them all running together now and I can't seem to find that particular one to photo. I am not sure if it is a hen or roo but I will find it. It also lost its leg band so it could be from one of my black hens.

Here are some pics of my whites from the PA eggs.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/49750_gwhte.jpg

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/49750_whte1.jpg

I told them to "strike a pose"

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/49750_vogue2.jpg

they think they are super models! yeah!