Let's talk Golden Cuckoo Marans!

[chickee]

Thanks. He is pretty as long as you don't study his legs.

@chickie, glad you are excited for eggs! What exactly is "mossiness" anyway? I crossed my GCM rooster with a wheaten Ameraucana. Does this Olive egger have mossiness? Just curious what it means...

Hard to tell by your picture if this hen has some mossy feathers. Take a look at that last picture you sent me of the hen with clean legs and you will see some brown speckling in the golden of her wing tips. That is what I consider mossy. Funny how my OE chicks out of my GCM rooster x wheaten Ameraucana hens look just like yours. This makes me worry that breeding my GCMs to the wheaten Marans will lighten the color to much and create more of a crele pattern rather than cuckoo.

 

[chickee]

Hi Chickee . I see now where this gorgeous bird come from. you should be proud of them. I will if I had them.

yeah you can X to the wheaten no problem with a mossiness .Barring/ cuckoo gene will take care of that.

I m working with a progeny F1 .Father Silver Cuckoo marans .Mothers Wheaten hens. gorgeous F1 pullets no mossiness.
Barring / Cuckoo gene is dominant .

Buckabucka's rooster Woodie I believe is a Fitz Farm bird. My rooster is from a line developed by a BYC friend (she no longer has chickens) that is GCM x (Bev Davis) BCM. My hens are from Rockin' G Ranch birds. I sent eggs from my birds to Buckabucka. She will breed the pullets she hatched to her beautiful Mr. Woodie and send me eggs so I have another line to work with.

These are some of my small flock~ Definitely need some work.

 

[Chooks man]

Hi Chickee. your hens are gorgeous nice type .pretty face and comb lovely eyes, healthy feathered shank.
only a problem with them they are e+/e+. s+/- B/-. that mean they are Duck wing Red Breast on the hens from the salmon,and white wing triangle on the rooster. that is caused by the Autosomal red gene Ar+. they are not crow wing.ER/ ?
to fix that you have to remove the Autosomal Red gene ? How you do that? I ll tell you not to worry.

you saying that you have a Black copper marans from Bev s. than you lucky

1) Put your Golden Cuckoo rooster over a Black coppers hens = F1
2) you have 2 chose here .A) to fix a problem one s and for good ; the best way is to cross your F1 together brother( with a crow wing triangle) X sisters( the one without a Red chest) = will get F2 all sort of Cuckoo phenotype to choose from.

B) is to choose the Best Cockerel from the F1 ( make sure is a Crow Wing triangle ) and put him over your Golden cuckoo hens you ve got now = you will get some nice Golden cuckoo Crow wing ER birds.

It s very hard to breed the Autosomal red Ar+ out

Hope that hepl

 

[chickee]

Hi Chickee. your hens are gorgeous nice type .pretty face and comb lovely eyes, healthy feathered shank.
only a problem with them they are e+/e+. s+/- B/-. that mean they are Duck wing Red Breast on the hens from the salmon,and white wing triangle on the rooster. that is caused by the Autosomal red gene Ar+. they are not crow wing.ER/ ?
to fix that you have to remove the Autosomal Red gene ? How you do that? I ll tell you not to worry.

you saying that you have a Black copper marans from Bev s. than you lucky

1) Put your Golden Cuckoo rooster over a Black coppers hens = F1
2) you have 2 chose here .A) to fix a problem one s and for good ; the best way is to cross your F1 together brother( with a crow wing triangle) X sisters( the one without a Red chest) = will get F2 all sort of Cuckoo phenotype to choose from.

B) is to choose the Best Cockerel from the F1 ( make sure is a Crow Wing triangle ) and put him over your Golden cuckoo hens you ve got now = you will get some nice Golden cuckoo Crow wing ER birds.

It s very hard to breed the Autosomal red Ar+ out

Hope that hepl

Thanks so much Chooks man! That is great information! Sounds like I need to get some black copper Marans eggs to hatch since I only have the golden cuckoo and wheaten Marans. I do know a BYCer who lives 20 minutes away that has black coppers from Bev.

 

[morbius18]

It seems the market has been flooded with black coppers around here, they are everywhere for sale on craigslist.

 

[morbius18]

Thanks so much Chooks man! That is great information! Sounds like I need to get some black copper Marans eggs to hatch since I only have the golden cuckoo and wheaten Marans. I do know a BYCer who lives 20 minutes away that has black coppers from Bev. 

I think that since there isnt ant APA standard here in the United States for the GCM, It is wide open as to what the 'standard' is. I know that Bev's Marans list them as e+ birds, I also know other say ER is proper. I'd say whatever the French Standard for them is probably the one to strive for. But the English do different things with the standards as well. The good part is that we're basically developing a new standard that hopefully gets adopted in the US. If you go by chick down look, e+ chicks look chipmunk, which isn't what most GCMs seem to look. They are dark, sometimes with the lighter belly like most ER chicks.

Now the French marans club says they are traditionally e+ based, but can be based on other varieties, which opens up the ER and E^wh varieties. Which is correct, I don't really know. I know what I prefer though.

 

[morbius18]

Marans.eu states:

The SILVER-CUCKOO VARIETY

Cock : Overall cuckoo, the cock’s plumage is much lighter than that of the hen.

Hen : Fairly dark cuckoo plumage, with a rough pattern and irregular lines; lighter hackles; dark or lightly grey under colour

The GOLDEN-CUCKOO VARIETY

Plumage colour, as for the Crele pattern, i.e. as for the Silver Cuckoo except all silver/white areas are red / gold, the Cuckoo pattern even more indistinct on the hen

But nothing is stated about the wing triangle

 

[morbius18]

An old Archived copy of the french marans standard at:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020627215730/http://marans.chez.tiscali.fr/cdor.htm#cdor

Clearly shows a birchen ER based bird, but also shows a single barred rooster as well.

 

[chickee]

It seems the market has been flooded with black coppers around here, they are everywhere for sale on craigslist.

I have a closed flock (for bio security) so hatching eggs is the only way I add new birds. Luckily I have a close source for some quality black coppers.

I think that since there isnt ant APA standard here in the United States for the GCM, It is wide open as to what the 'standard' is. I know that Bev's Marans list them as e+ birds, I also know other say ER is proper. I'd say whatever the French Standard for them is probably the one to strive for. But the English do different things with the standards as well. The good part is that we're basically developing a new standard that hopefully gets adopted in the US. If you go by chick down look, e+ chicks look chipmunk, which isn't what most GCMs seem to look. They are dark, sometimes with the lighter belly like most ER chicks.

Now the French marans club says they are traditionally e+ based, but can be based on other varieties, which opens up the ER and E^wh varieties. Which is correct, I don't really know. I know what I prefer though.

I am going to follow the French standard. I am not good at genetics, so any help there is much appreciated!

 

[Chooks man]

Hi Morbius18. Did you the cock Golden cuckoo in the French page Crow-wing ( Black wing triangle)
I translate what they say about recreating them. them suggested you can use a silver cuckoo bird with ;A) Black tail Buff .by using this variety you not only adding the Golden Gene but you adding as well Db and Co ( Colombian restrictor gene )

B) Black copper; with this variety you will get ER looking bird ( Black copper with a Cuckoo/Barring Gene) like a silver Cuckoo .is a Birchen hen and Cock with a Cuckoo /Barring gene ER/ER. and they call them Coucou a camail Argente' (Cuckoo with a Silver Hackel ) for a silver variety.
they call the Golden cuckoo .coucou a camail Dore' ( cockoo with a Golden Hackel) Camail in french mean Hackel

So they are not saying just Cuckoo ( that will be strait cuckoo E/E family) not marans

No red Brested Hen or White or Cinnamon Wing Triangle . Ewh or e+/e+

I m working on this project with a french Marans Club peoples and .they are guiding me through to recreate them properly recording to they standard. we don t have a standard in Australia so we work with a French.

People are free to do what they want with they chooks. But Standard is a Standard.
chooks man