List of oldest U.S. chicken breeds. Is it correct?

[Bullitt]

i just read this whole thread and feel some of the comments here are more important than simply 'show' over 'production'. the lamona, holland and california gray are modern composite breeds that just were not popular. i have always thought all these american breeds were composite breeds with the exception of the java and dominique but now wonder about them. the american game was not on the list? i guess they are composite breeds too with old english game being crossed with asil. it would seem that the american game would be at the top of the list though as far as history and importance.

Well, you couldn't have read the entire thread. And I don't blame you. But American Game was discussed, and I was told that the APA classifies them as English Game.

I was asking for guidance in regards to American Game. It seems an argument can be made that American Game is an old American breed. Do you have a source for history of the breed with years?

I thought this list would be simple to compile. It turned out to be a much more complicated undertaking.

 

[The Yakima Kid]

Well, you couldn't have read the entire thread. And I don't blame you. But American Game was discussed, and I was told that the APA classifies them as English Game.

I was asking for guidance in regards to American Game. It seems an argument can be made that American Game is an old American breed. Do you have a source for history of the breed with years?

I thought this list would be simple to compile. It turned out to be a much more complicated undertaking.

The APA, as far as I know, only recognizes the bantam American Game, which is in the Game class.

 

[cubalaya]

a lot of people have american games and can no longer fight them. why not show them?

 

[BGMatt]

a lot of people have american games and can no longer fight them. why not show them?

Wish they would. I think it's a bit silly that the APA does not recognize American Game in standard size. Heck, the bantams were a fairly recent addition. Maybe the American Game breeders don't want to mess with the color issue?

 

[Bullitt]

The APA, as far as I know, only recognizes the bantam American Game, which is in the Game class.

The issue for the list is whether American Game is a breed created in the United States. Are American Game chickens distinctive from English Game chickens? And if so, what year was the breed American Game created?

 

[BGMatt]

The issue for the list is whether American Game is a breed created in the United States. Are American Game chickens distinctive from English Game chickens? And if so, what year was the breed American Game created?

They have a different body type and shape, they have different skin colorations. They are as distinct as any other two breeds of game fowl. They were created in the colonial days, from English game and other breeds.

Edit: You may have a hard time tracking down an exact date, ever since the villain-ization of cockfighting records and histories weren't exactly popular or well kept.

 

[Bullitt]

They have a different body type and shape, they have different skin colorations. They are as distinct as any other two breeds of game fowl. They were created in the colonial days, from English game and other breeds.

That's a start. Do you know where I can find a source that states American Game is a breed created or developed in the United States and when the breed was created or developed? I am guessing American Game probably just developed around farms without intentional breeding by people.

If I had a source I could add American Game to the list. Would it be older than Dominique that is called "pilgrim fowl"?

 

[BGMatt]

That's a start. Do you know where I can find a source that states American Game is a breed created or developed in the United States and when the breed was created or developed? I am guessing American Game probably just developed around farms without intentional breeding by people.

If I had a source I could add American Game to the list. Would it be older than Dominique that is called "pilgrim fowl"?

You'd probably be safe to assume they developed around the same time. As stated above, considering the original purpose of game fowl, exact records and histories probably aren't super well documented.

 

[Bullitt]

You'd probably be safe to assume they developed around the same time. As stated above, considering the original purpose of game fowl, exact records and histories probably aren't super well documented.

No, I am not assuming anything. If I don't have at least one source to say American Game is a breed created or developed in the United States and when, then how can I put the breed on the list?

 

[NYREDS]

Wish they would. I think it's a bit silly that the APA does not recognize American Game in standard size. Heck, the bantams were a fairly recent addition. Maybe the American Game breeders don't want to mess with the color issue?

As far as I know they've never been proposed for admission to the Standard. From what I understand about "American Games" is they can have any comb or leg colour; can have white or yellow skin & don't adhere to any particular coloration. I know in many instances birds I've seen pictured here may have the same name but look very different. How would it be possible to include birds like that in a Standard? How could they be judged?