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Sure it's possible with 150 chickens! I have just under 100 (granted a few are chicks). Right now I have a 5 gallon bucket in the shade near each coop, but I think you might have an easier time with a larger container. I have heard of some people using trash cans or barrels, but I wouldn't recommend it because they are too deep to mix everything properly. I get feed tubs from my step dad (he raises cattle) that might be perfect for you. I store unopened bags of feed in them, and they hold 2 50-lb bags with room to spare. They are much shorter than barrels and it would be much easier to mix in them. I can probably get a couple for you if you're interested. They look like this, just a little shorter and wider:




I use a single container rather than nesting 2 together (some people use 2, with the interior one having drainage holes). I use my regular feed and occasionally add in some BOSS or other whole grains if I have them on hand, but it isn't necessary. I recommend letting the first batch ferment at least 2 days to get it going good, but you still need to stir it a couple of times daily. I don't use as much water as ssterling, because I don't drain my FF. I tried both ways, and this is much easier and less time consuming with so many birds (AND it ferments just as well). I mix mine until soaks up all the water and has the consistency that reminds me of a slightly thin cornbread mix, then I top it off with a couple of inches of water (because it will soak up more overnight) and stir one more time. I mix everything once before I feed, because the mother will start to grow and gather on top of the feed (sort of grayish colored) and all the good ferment liquid is on the bottom. I scoop out without draining and feed. It does have a little liquid, but my birds LOVE it like that. They haven't been drinking nearly as much water either. After I feed, I add in more dry feed and water, stir, and it is ready again the next day.

I have a VERY important suggestion if your ferment buckets will be somewhere your birds can get to them. It is important for the FF to get air (thus ssterling using a towel to cover), but it also needs to be protected from debris or animals getting to it. I use the bucket top and don't press it on, and I still get enough air exchange. I made the mistake of leaving the lip of my lid too loose on the front side (the other side backs up to the fence and the birds can't get there) this weekend. My geese, who love FF and who are very smart, took the lid off while we were not home. I came home to find a near-lifeless silkie who was submerged up to his head and hypothermic. It took me nearly 2 hours to revive him. My story had a happy ending, but please make sure you take steps to prevent this. The birds will try to get in the container once they figure out what's in it. It is nearly impossible for them to get out without assistance. This stuff is like quicksand.

It took about a week for me to start seeing a big decrease in the amount of feed I was using. Keep in mind that you are going to start with a larger amount of feed than you will feed in one day, because you need to have some left over to ferment the next day's feed.​

My birds know when it's close to feeding time. They all gradually congregate at the buckets.
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I bet the darn squirrels would love to get into it, too. and the coons - we used to build covers out of hardware cloth & wood to put over our garbage cans so the coons wouldn't take off the lids, so there's a solution right there!

I'm going to try it I think. I only have 23 chickens so it won't be overwhelming.

OK Mike -- we're on! see you there! and do keep me posted on the cotton patch; I'm very interested!
 
Excellent info!!


I have been looking for those types of buckets for about a year now. I can't find them anywhere. I see them at the feed stores but they never have any extra.


Can you tell me exactly what does fermented feed do for your chickens and how does that have anything to do with decreasing their feed. Does FF "fill them up", so they are not hungry? What does it do? :confused: I still don't understand. Fermented grapes gets me tipsy :gig so what does fermentation do for chickens? :gig


How much do you feed to 150 birds and how often do you feed it to them?

From what I have been reading Julie, the fermented feed does fill them up more and they are less likely to waste food by scratching it all over the place.  The ferment also does for chickens what a probiotic does for humans. Here is my summary of what I've read today:  less waste, better nutrient absorption, heavier eggs with harder shells, and heavier birds.  Seems like a win to me.  


Great! Thanks.
 
How much would you say it has reduced your feed intake? My birds waste a lot by scratching it out of their feeders, so I am very interested in this.

Nearly in half!!! I had read that it would make a difference, but I never imagined it would be that much! I had the same problem with waste. A few of my newer breeds are very wasteful and were pushing the fines onto the ground. That was some expensive fertilizer lol!
 
Nearly in half!!! I had read that it would make a difference, but I never imagined it would be that much! I had the same problem with waste. A few of my newer breeds are very wasteful and were pushing the fines onto the ground. That was some expensive fertilizer lol!
That's what I needed to hear! It sounds like a bit of a chore, but if it saves me $$$ then I'm all for it!

My neighbor brings us rough rice to use as treats for the birds. Think I could add that to the mixture?
 
How much would you say it has reduced your feed intake?  My birds waste a lot by scratching it out of their feeders, so I am very interested in this.


Nearly in half!!! I had read that it would make a difference, but I never imagined it would be that much!  I had the same problem with waste.  A few of my newer breeds are very wasteful and were pushing the fines onto the ground.  That was some expensive fertilizer lol!


I have to figure amounts to ferment and how much to feed an army like I have. I have a lot of reading to do. :/
 
Nearly in half!!! I had read that it would make a difference, but I never imagined it would be that much!  I had the same problem with waste.  A few of my newer breeds are very wasteful and were pushing the fines onto the ground.  That was some expensive fertilizer lol!

That's what I needed to hear!  It sounds like a bit of a chore, but if it saves me $$$ then I'm all for it!  

My neighbor brings us rough rice to use as treats for the birds.  Think I could add that to the mixture?


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How do you grind up your seeds? Stupid question........ I have heard that it saves on the feed bill but HOW does it save on the feed bill. What does it do to your chickens?
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SO TRUE!
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I informed Jim last night that for his next project I want him to start on a cabinet incubator. He did not run screaming out of the room, which is a good sign.


I was wondering how to grind the feed for the fermented feed also? We have an antique cornmeal grinder - I bet that would work?

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on your experiment Gracie!

Excellent info!!

I have been looking for those types of buckets for about a year now. I can't find them anywhere. I see them at the feed stores but they never have any extra.

Can you tell me exactly what does fermented feed do for your chickens and how does that have anything to do with decreasing their feed. Does FF "fill them up", so they are not hungry? What does it do?
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I still don't understand. Fermented grapes gets me tipsy
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so what does fermentation do for chickens?
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How much do you feed to 150 birds and how often do you feed it to them?

From what I have been reading Julie, the fermented feed does fill them up more and they are less likely to waste food by scratching it all over the place. The ferment also does for chickens what a probiotic does for humans. Here is my summary of what I've read today: less waste, better nutrient absorption, heavier eggs with harder shells, and heavier birds. Seems like a win to me.

I don't grind anything for my mix. I use my regular feed (it's a mash). Any other grains or scratch that I throw in go in whole, and they ferment just fine. Julie - Gracie gave some great info. Fermenting increases the availability of nutrients and increases protein content of the feed so the birds need less. There is also NO waste with FF!

I use a 32 oz drink pitcher to scoop my feed. My breeding pens with 5 mature LF are eating between 16 & 24 ounces per day (keep in mind that's not dry - the feed swells to nearly twice the volume). If I feed more than that, they don't eat it all. I started out feeding more and reduced the amount depending on what was left over at the end of the day. My white Bresse eat WAY more than my other breeds. I have 11 mature white Bresse and 5 other birds in their pen. They are eating 48-80 oz per day (not sure why it varies). Now they all started out eating more than that, but the consumption gradually decreased over a couple of weeks. They are looking great!
 
I don't grind anything for my mix. I use my regular feed (it's a mash). Any other grains or scratch that I throw in go in whole, and they ferment just fine. Julie - Gracie gave some great info. Fermenting increases the availability of nutrients and increases protein content of the feed so the birds need less. There is also NO waste with FF! I use a 32 oz drink pitcher to scoop my feed. My breeding pens with 5 mature LF are eating between 16 & 24 ounces per day (keep in mind that's not dry - the feed swells to nearly twice the volume). If I feed more than that, they don't eat it all. I started out feeding more and reduced the amount depending on what was left over at the end of the day. My white Bresse eat WAY more than my other breeds. I have 11 mature white Bresse and 5 other birds in their pen. They are eating 48-80 oz per day (not sure why it varies). Now they all started out eating more than that, but the consumption gradually decreased over a couple of weeks. They are looking great!
Sounds like I will have to get different feeders for the FF. I have a lot of wood feeders. I will have to get plastic feeders since the FF is wet. And I guess this is ok for ducks, geese and turkeys? I will have to look at FF recipes.
 
I just ordered a dozen+ White rock eggs from XW Farms (J-whip) here are some of the parent stock hope to get a couple this fine out a the clutch setting.









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Beautiful white rocks!

I just used a small food processor to chop up the pumpkin & sunflower seeds...mainly because I have many young birds and I wanted to be able to feed the same bucket to the smaller ones as I do the older ones without worrying the seeds were too large.

I will let you know how it goes as things progress....
 

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