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Hi Ron,
How can I go about this without giving the scientific uninitiated an excuse to blow up? Yes, fermented food is more concentrated with nutrition creating the illusion that it is beneficial. There is a catch however. In order to create this sort of dietary wonder there is a great expenditure, i.e., a large waste of food energy. During the fermentation of the carbohydrate (sugars mainly) to alcohol as an exothermic reaction that is where the food energy is wasted. If one had an extremely sensitive thermometer, which does not exist outside of the laboratory, a measurable amount of heat emission could be detected slowly but surely over time. That is energy being liberated which the chickens could therefore not profit from. Evidently these subscribers either do not remember their high school chemistry or they never were exposed to it in the first place. Another way to visualize the situation is to use the example of three bricks being imaginatively subjected to fermentation. Let's say there are two red bricks and a green one. Each brick represents a source of energy. When fermentation occurs one of the bricks is converted to heat energy and is thus eliminated. Let's say that this is the green one. Before the process began each brick represents 1/3 of the energy source. After the fermentation each remaining brick now represents 1/2 of the remaining energy giving the illusion that there has been an increase. Yes, they represent a greater concentration of energy but at the loss (cost) of the liberated (and lost) energy represented by the green brick! The fact that the birds make great gains on such a diet does not take into account that there was a large initial expenditure of valuable energy in the first place. That is a terrible waste to achieve the effect! I am troubled by seeing my fellow chicken hobbyists being snookered being thusly cheated out of perfectly good nutrition the birds will not have available. One cannot multiply energy by sacrificing a great deal of it in the first place. The laws of chemistry (entropy) simply do not work that way; one does not get something in the real world by destruction of a portion of whatever it is. I hope that this little essay has awakened the native intellect inherent in all of us capable of rearing chickens. Get over the false illusion my dear friends!
Most sincerely to all,
Neal, the Zooman
 
Pam, the CX are very messy. They're stinking up the coop. I've put down several bags of pine shavings. I'm glad I only have 15 of these guys. If I ever raise them again I'd want a designated coop for them to be in. They don't go far from the feeder. They have a 80' run to themselves and none have been to the end of it yet. They're about 7 weeks. I'm not doing fermented feed, been feeding gamebird starter 24% mixed with Scratch n Peck chick starter. I can't tell any differences in the Biele strains at least no yet. There is one 2011 that has the biggest, widest head. I'm keeping my eye on him for breeding. But from what I've read you never know until they mature. There can be late bloomers. You would know better than me. There is another 2011 that carries itself funny. Like it has a wing or hip that is higher than the other. He's definitely going to the freezer. Eventually I'll be asking about how to pick and what to look for, I have 10 cockerels so some will have to go. I've never mentioned it but I'm in to wood myself and am a woodworker. I like to do traditional hand cut mortise and tenon joinery, dovetail joints, that type stuff.
That's GORGEOUS! I'm so inspired. :D My friend who raises meaties keeps them in a mobile coop that he moves every two days or so. We helped him process some back in November and they were filthy, disgusting birds.
 
Zooman, that is a very interesting point you make about the fermented feed. Myself, I don't want to waste the energy doing it.
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Thank you for the compliment Camping. Yea a chicken tractor type coop would be the way to go with the CX. I've watched the Salatin videos on this. It's a neat setup.
 
Pam, the CX are very messy. They're stinking up the coop. I've put down several bags of pine shavings. I'm glad I only have 15 of these guys. If I ever raise them again I'd want a designated coop for them to be in. They don't go far from the feeder. They have a 80' run to themselves and none have been to the end of it yet. They're about 7 weeks. I'm not doing fermented feed, been feeding gamebird starter 24% mixed with Scratch n Peck chick starter. I can't tell any differences in the Biele strains at least no yet. There is one 2011 that has the biggest, widest head. I'm keeping my eye on him for breeding. But from what I've read you never know until they mature. There can be late bloomers. You would know better than me. There is another 2011 that carries itself funny. Like it has a wing or hip that is higher than the other. He's definitely going to the freezer. Eventually I'll be asking about how to pick and what to look for, I have 10 cockerels so some will have to go. I've never mentioned it but I'm in to wood myself and am a woodworker. I like to do traditional hand cut mortise and tenon joinery, dovetail joints, that type stuff.
That is beautiful!!! Love it do you sell or do it just for you?
 
Zooman, that is a very interesting point you make about the fermented feed. Myself, I don't want to waste the energy doing it. :lol:

Thank you for the compliment Camping. Yea a chicken tractor type coop would be the way to go with the CX. I've watched the Salatin videos on this. It's a neat setup.

About the CX staying in the coop my friend brings their feed to the end of their run so at least twice a day they get exercise. Just a thought. Pam
 
Hi Ron,
How can I go about this without giving the scientific uninitiated an excuse to blow up?  Yes, fermented food is more concentrated with nutrition creating the illusion that it is beneficial.  There is a catch however.  In order to create this sort of dietary wonder there is a great expenditure, i.e., a large waste of food energy. During the fermentation of the carbohydrate (sugars mainly) to alcohol as an exothermic reaction that is where the food energy is wasted. If one had an extremely sensitive thermometer, which does not exist outside of the laboratory, a measurable amount of heat emission could be detected slowly but surely over time.  That is energy being liberated which the chickens could therefore not profit from.  Evidently these subscribers either do not remember their high school chemistry or they never were exposed to it in the first place.  Another way to visualize the situation is to use the example of three bricks being imaginatively subjected to fermentation.  Let's say there are two red bricks and a green one.  Each brick represents a source of energy.  When fermentation occurs one of the bricks is converted to heat energy and is thus eliminated.  Let's say that this is the green one.  Before the process began each brick represents 1/3 of the energy source.  After the fermentation each remaining brick now represents 1/2 of the remaining energy giving the illusion that there has been an increase.  Yes, they represent a greater concentration of energy but at the loss (cost) of the liberated (and lost) energy represented by the green brick! The fact that the birds make great gains on such a diet does not take into account that there was a large initial expenditure of valuable energy in the first place. That is a terrible waste to achieve the effect!  I am troubled by seeing my fellow chicken hobbyists being snookered being thusly cheated out of perfectly good nutrition the birds will not have available.  One cannot multiply energy by sacrificing a great deal of it in the first place. The laws of chemistry (entropy) simply do not work that way; one does not get something in the real world by destruction of a portion of whatever it is.  I hope that this little essay has awakened the native intellect inherent in all of us capable of rearing chickens.  Get over the false illusion my dear friends!
Most sincerely to all,
Neal, the Zooman

I just asked my friend a question. You Assume I ferment my feed. I do not I feed organic scratch and peck which has probiotics. Maybe you should go inform the fermented feed thread. Pam
 
Hey all. Been pretty much MIA from byc. SO tired all the time lately. Don't know what's up with that. But anyway we have cuteness here with baby chicks hatching. We had good fertility and great development. Last egg hatching now. 11 new baby Cochin.

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The older juvie girls are growing fast too.
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My Frizz looks back to normal now.

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Day before yesterday I took this picture of pretty boy Chuck.......... Then he proceeded to get into a nasty fight with his brother. Now he looks like an after fight MMA fighter. Crazy dude. Love him though!
 
Hey all. Been pretty much MIA from byc. SO tired all the time lately. Don't know what's up with that. But anyway we have cuteness here with baby chicks hatching. We had good fertility and great development. Last egg hatching now. 11 new baby Cochin.

700

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The older juvie girls are growing fast too.
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My Frizz looks back to normal now.

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Day before yesterday I took this picture of pretty boy Chuck.......... Then he proceeded to get into a nasty fight with his brother. Now he looks like an after fight MMA fighter. Crazy dude. Love him though!

Glad to hear from you lemon. You've been missed. Hope you feel better soon. Haven't found any ticks I hope. I have new chicks too. Love your fizzles ! Pam
 
No, no ticks. Might be my thyroid though. I had half of it removed a few years ago. No worries though. Will figure it out.

I love the frizzles too. They are like little Carnation flowers. :)
 
No, no ticks. Might be my thyroid though. I had half of it removed a few years ago. No worries though. Will figure it out.

I love the frizzles too. They are like little Carnation flowers. :)

What a great description of a frizzle. Hope you feel better soon. Pam
 

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