~MALAYSIAN SERAMA THREAD~ (PICS!!!)

[catwalk]

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Silkiedness is recessive, so it won't show up in your frizzled bird's first generation offspring. They will either be smooth or frizzled. Breed the frizzled offspring back to a silkied, half should be silkied, half should be frizzled. There will be smooth as well, but the other two traits should overlap. I have no idea what that would look like!

 

[GotGame]

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Nope, I hear worse from my wife all the time

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[GotGame]

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Silkiedness is recessive, so it won't show up in your frizzled bird's first generation offspring. They will either be smooth or frizzled. Breed the frizzled offspring back to a silkied, half should be silkied, half should be frizzled. There will be smooth as well, but the other two traits should overlap. I have no idea what that would look like!

Thanks for the info, it will be just for my wifes enjoyment, lol...I am gonna try and do some selective breeding with my birds, she is just gonna have all her hens in a big pen with a roo or two....

 

[High Roost Ranch]

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Silkiedness is recessive, so it won't show up in your frizzled bird's first generation offspring. They will either be smooth or frizzled. Breed the frizzled offspring back to a silkied, half should be silkied, half should be frizzled. There will be smooth as well, but the other two traits should overlap. I have no idea what that would look like!

Thanks for the info, it will be just for my wifes enjoyment, lol...I am gonna try and do some selective breeding with my birds, she is just gonna have all her hens in a big pen with a roo or two....

Are you sure on silkied being recessive?

SS for silkied
Ss for carrier
ss for non carrier

SS X SS=100% silkied
SS X Ss=50% silkied, 50% carrier
Ss X Ss= 25% silkied, 50% carrier, 25% non carrier
SS x ss=50% silkied, 25% carrier, 25% non carrier

It's the non-carrier and carrier that cannot be determined without test breeding. Therefore, the first two pairings are the most desirable.

BTW, my 1000th post, woo hoo!

 

[GotGame]

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Thanks for the info, it will be just for my wifes enjoyment, lol...I am gonna try and do some selective breeding with my birds, she is just gonna have all her hens in a big pen with a roo or two....

Are you sure on silkied being recessive?

SS for silkied
Ss for carrier
ss for non carrier

SS X SS=100% silkied
SS X Ss=50% silkied, 50% carrier
Ss X Ss= 25% silkied, 50% carrier, 25% non carrier
SS x ss=50% silkied, 25% carrier, 25% non carrier

It's the non-carrier and carrier that cannot be determined without test breeding. Therefore, the first two pairings are the most desirable.

BTW, my 1000th post, woo hoo!

Let me see if I understand this....

SS = Silkied bird
Ss = Smooth bird that carries the silkied gene (through one or both parents?) What would make a Ss, one or both parents silkied?

Is that right?

 

[Bunnylady]

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If you can't tell a carrier from a non-carrier (without testing) then yes, it's recessive. Recessive traits are designated with lower case letters, capital letters are used to indicate dominant traits. The only time you will find a dominance laddar with more than one capital letter in it is when the capital letter was assigned to something that was thought to be the most dominant trait, and something was discovered later that turned out to be more dominant than the trait that already had the capital letter.

So the above chart, ss should be silkied, SS should be non-silkied. And remember, those numbers only apply when you have lots and lots of offspring from such a cross. In a sample group as small as, say, one hen's clutch of eggs, you could get wildly skewed results. For example, I recently recieved a dozen frizzle eggs. Of those 12, 8 hatched, and only 2 turned out to be frizzles (25% of the hatch, not the predicted 50%).



Supposedly, this is a frizzled Silkie. I couldn't find any pics of a frizzled, silkied Serama, so maybe try to project these feathers onto a Serama shape?!

What would make a Ss, one or both parents silkied?

Each parent only contributes one half of a gene pair. Ss happens when the bird gets the Silkied allele from one parent, and the non-silkied allele from the other. A bird that is SS can only contribute a S to its chicks, because that is the only form it has. Likewise, a bird that is ss can only contribute the s form of the gene, because that is all it has. A bird that is Ss gives S to roughly 50% of its chicks, and s to the other (approximately) 50%. So a Ss would result from a SS x ss cross (100% Ss), Ss x ss (50% Ss), or a Ss x Ss cross (50% Ss).​

 

[High Roost Ranch]

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Are you sure on silkied being recessive?

SS for silkied
Ss for carrier
ss for non carrier

SS X SS=100% silkied
SS X Ss=50% silkied, 50% carrier
Ss X Ss= 25% silkied, 50% carrier, 25% non carrier
SS x ss=50% silkied, 25% carrier, 25% non carrier

It's the non-carrier and carrier that cannot be determined without test breeding. Therefore, the first two pairings are the most desirable.

BTW, my 1000th post, woo hoo!

Let me see if I understand this....

SS = Silkied bird
Ss = Smooth bird that carries the silkied gene (through one or both parents?) What would make a Ss, one or both parents silkied?

Is that right?

Yes, the Ss results from an SS x Ss, Silkied X split for silkied. It's a known carrier of silkied.

I wasn't understanding exactly what she meant, and only half coherent, when I read Liz's post. Been feeling ack all day, sorry for my confusion Liz. A bird can be recessive by carrying only one copy of the silkied gene, aka Ss. It takes two copies of the hookless feather gene, one from each parent, to express it in offspring. So Liz is right, and I was confused, LOL.

 

[jbear]

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If you can't tell a carrier from a non-carrier (without testing) then yes, it's recessive. Recessive traits are designated with lower case letters, capital letters are used to indicate dominant traits. The only time you will find a dominance laddar with more than one capital letter in it is when the capital letter was assigned to something that was thought to be the most dominant trait, and something was discovered later that turned out to be more dominant than the trait that already had the capital letter.

So the above chart, ss should be silkied, SS should be non-silkied. And remember, those numbers only apply when you have lots and lots of offspring from such a cross. In a sample group as small as, say, one hen's clutch of eggs, you could get wildly skewed results. For example, I recently recieved a dozen frizzle eggs. Of those 12, 8 hatched, and only 2 turned out to be frizzles (25% of the hatch, not the predicted 50%).



Supposedly, this is a frizzled Silkie. I couldn't find any pics of a frizzled, silkied Serama, so maybe try to project these feathers onto a Serama shape?!
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Silkies/FrizSilkCkl.JPEG

What would make a Ss, one or both parents silkied?

Each parent only contributes one half of a gene pair. Ss happens when the bird gets the Silkied allele from one parent, and the non-silkied allele from the other. A bird that is SS can only contribute a S to its chicks, because that is the only form it has. Likewise, a bird that is ss can only contribute the s form of the gene, because that is all it has. A bird that is Ss gives S to roughly 50% of its chicks, and s to the other (approximately) 50%. So a Ss would result from a SS x ss cross (100% Ss), Ss x ss (50% Ss), or a Ss x Ss cross (50% Ss).​

i just wanted to show you my friends rooster--pretty sure he is a frizzled silkie... this is one spoiled spoiled chicken too!!

 

[jbear]

and here is Calypso--isn't she purty?? She just came home last week.

 

[SunshineSteedFarm]

jefner: Very cute hen!! I love her color