~MALAYSIAN SERAMA THREAD~ (PICS!!!)

[austinhart123]

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That was Geronimo! He wouldnt place because another big time breeder was there and they didnt believe in silkied placing any higher! Yes Edgar was judging! This wasnt the only show he took Res. he did it at Marietta too!

He was the one I lost!

You should have put your foot down because a breeder of SCNA shouldn't have any say in what should or shouldn't be allowed based on their personal preference. It isn't their call. Standards were written to be used, not ignored at someone's insistence just because they didn't want their bird beat by a silkied. Don't tolerate that stuff. If there's a standard, make them stand by it. If you don't, you'll get railroaded more than just once.

I was at a show last month where they kindly gave Seramas a breed trophy of their own. They also said they'd allow them to compete for Show Champion, and I asked them not to do that because they weren't yet a recognized breed and they wanted to follow ABA rules. I was just happy to show them to anyone who wanted to see and hold them.

When you show your seramas, if there is a standard in place by SCNA, take a copy of it with you so you always have it on hand. IF you want your birds judged per SCNA standard. And you'll have that ammunition should you run into this scenario again. Edgar knows better. That's too bad that happened. Unless of course they threw the silkied standard out and no longer have one and are not officially allowing the silkieds to compete equally with the smooth feathered birds, then what I've said doesn't apply.

I don't know. I'm no longer with SCNA so I can't comment beyond what I knew when I left the club.

i was wondering why i never saw you on SCNA anymore... why did you leave?

 

[High Roost Ranch]

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You should have put your foot down because a breeder of SCNA shouldn't have any say in what should or shouldn't be allowed based on their personal preference. It isn't their call. Standards were written to be used, not ignored at someone's insistence just because they didn't want their bird beat by a silkied. Don't tolerate that stuff. If there's a standard, make them stand by it. If you don't, you'll get railroaded more than just once.

I was at a show last month where they kindly gave Seramas a breed trophy of their own. They also said they'd allow them to compete for Show Champion, and I asked them not to do that because they weren't yet a recognized breed and they wanted to follow ABA rules. I was just happy to show them to anyone who wanted to see and hold them.

When you show your seramas, if there is a standard in place by SCNA, take a copy of it with you so you always have it on hand. IF you want your birds judged per SCNA standard. And you'll have that ammunition should you run into this scenario again. Edgar knows better. That's too bad that happened. Unless of course they threw the silkied standard out and no longer have one and are not officially allowing the silkieds to compete equally with the smooth feathered birds, then what I've said doesn't apply.

I don't know. I'm no longer with SCNA so I can't comment beyond what I knew when I left the club.

i was wondering why i never saw you on SCNA anymore... why did you leave?

I'll send you a PM tomorrow. Going to call it a night now.

 

[amyquilt]

Here's a fine example of how tame a Serama rooster can be with kids. My 9yo dd and 6yo autistic son fight over "ownership" of Roosevelt.

Roosevelt came from eggs I got from catwalk here on BYC ;-) He hatched Jan 2 and weighs 15.6oz.

 

[catwalk]

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Very nice rooster! I'll bet he'd eat from the table if you let him! He looks just like my boy Royal. I'll bet he's the daddy. He might have been with Bellini when your eggs were laid. No pic of her, but Bananas would be Roosevelt's half-sister. Freznel might also be the mother, in which case Penturner's Fuego is Roosevelt's full brother!

 

[catwalk]

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That was Geronimo! He wouldnt place because another big time breeder was there and they didnt believe in silkied placing any higher! Yes Edgar was judging! This wasnt the only show he took Res. he did it at Marietta too!

It that what happened!!!!! You're kidding, right! I was really confused when he refused to see the silkieds and frizzles for BB/RB, but I didn't want to bring up his judging at Green River, as my boy took third, and it would sound like sour grapes. Now I need a rule book. Do they have those in printed form, or are forum threads the Serama Bible? I'm so sorry that happend, Tyler! I'm going to do some research, work on my tact, and stand up for them from now on!

 

[High Roost Ranch]

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That was Geronimo! He wouldnt place because another big time breeder was there and they didnt believe in silkied placing any higher! Yes Edgar was judging! This wasnt the only show he took Res. he did it at Marietta too!

It that what happened!!!!! You're kidding, right! I was really confused when he refused to see the silkieds and frizzles for BB/RB, but I didn't want to bring up his judging at Green River, as my boy took third, and it would sound like sour grapes. Now I need a rule book. Do they have those in printed form, or are forum threads the Serama Bible? I'm so sorry that happend, Tyler! I'm going to do some research, work on my tact, and stand up for them from now on!

Looking on the SCNAOnline.org standards page I don't see a standard for anything other than smooth feathered birds. They may have did away with the silkied standard, in which case, they could theoretically use that as a means of not giving a very good silkied any acknowledgement at their shows based on the fact that there isn't a standard in place. The same would go for the ABA/APA shows.

I find this bit of the standard interesting (found at the bottom)

All Class Champions compete against each other.

One is selected Show Champion, another is selected Show Reserve Champion

In case of a tie, the exhibitor with the most SCNA Purple Awards is declared the winner. If still a tie, blue, red, and then white awards are counted as tiebreakers.

I see the standard has changed some and it seems they are basing a bird's worth on how much time an exhibitor has spent in the show halls, and not the quality of a bird itself. That would mean a "newbie" would be beat in a tie based upon their lack of show attendance or someone who only comes with a couple birds verses someone who comes with a lot of birds. That's sad.​

 

[HenThymes]

What is soo sad is that you see this same situation over and over again. It doesnt matter whether it's chickens, dogs, horses, ect. when a club/group gets so big they forget how they got there and then politics gets in the way. How much do you spend, where you got your stock from, who has the most bling. They then make it tough for newbies to get started, forgetting that once upon a time they were in those same shoes.

 

[Ok_Junebug]

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It that what happened!!!!! You're kidding, right! I was really confused when he refused to see the silkieds and frizzles for BB/RB, but I didn't want to bring up his judging at Green River, as my boy took third, and it would sound like sour grapes. Now I need a rule book. Do they have those in printed form, or are forum threads the Serama Bible? I'm so sorry that happend, Tyler! I'm going to do some research, work on my tact, and stand up for them from now on!

Looking on the SCNAOnline.org standards page I don't see a standard for anything other than smooth feathered birds. They may have did away with the silkied standard, in which case, they could theoretically use that as a means of not giving a very good silkied any acknowledgement at their shows based on the fact that there isn't a standard in place. The same would go for the ABA/APA shows.

I find this bit of the standard interesting (found at the bottom)

All Class Champions compete against each other.

One is selected Show Champion, another is selected Show Reserve Champion

In case of a tie, the exhibitor with the most SCNA Purple Awards is declared the winner. If still a tie, blue, red, and then white awards are counted as tiebreakers.

I see the standard has changed some and it seems they are basing a bird's worth on how much time an exhibitor has spent in the show halls, and not the quality of a bird itself. That would mean a "newbie" would be beat in a tie based upon their lack of show attendance or someone who only comes with a couple birds verses someone who comes with a lot of birds. That's sad.​

Yes, there is a written standard for the Silkied Serama. I have it at home on my old computer...I can retrieve it and post it later when I get some time. I had a similar incident happen to me last spring....its frustrating.

 

[Penturner]

How very sweet. One way or the other My Fuego is either half brother (Thru Royal) or full brother to Roosavelt

They look it also. Fuego is also a very sweet loving bird. He lives in a run with his girl but every time he hears the back door open he jumps up on his perch and crows until we come talk to him. He likes to set close to us but is to proud to be picked up. He makes a big deal about it but once we get hold of him you find out he really likes to cuddle. He is just trying to get dgood at being a rooster right now. sort of like the teenager that won't kiss his mom in front of friends.
here is a picture of him and an answer to the question of whether dogs can be trusted around chickens. I always tell people they can as long as you show the dog that the bird is yours.

By the way, Fuego may be a Daddy in about 10 days.

The dog in the picture is a Chihuahua. What you cannot see is that there are also two Pit Chow mix dogs laying on the grass as well. Not ever made a move for the bird. not even when the birds frighten them. One landed on the head of one of the pit chows and he simply froze and trusted us to rescue him.

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[ladrifter]

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i have been told some of my hens are chocolate what do you think ? not a very good photo