Marans - SOP discussion thread

[PepsNick]

Wynette, if anyone has drawn one than I would love to see a drawing of the "ideal" Marans... In all of the colors... Just a color pencil sketch, or something?

Anyone good at drawing here? I know that we have some good realistic chicken artists on BYC.

 

[snowbird]

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MG, as you mentioned before the carnation comb is easy to find and mostly on the male, but occasionally it will appear on the female also. This is all from my experience and I believe I have seen most of the faults and believe me I am still culling everything that is not what I believe it should be. It will take many year to eliminate all the tainted blood from the Marans, but as long as I can see improvement each year will continue.

 

[snowbird]

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To see some Marans that are good type I would recommend going to the French Marans site would post the link but do not know how. In the USA we only have one color we know what it should look like and is the BC. Ask 10 people what a Marans should look like and you will get 10 different definitions.

 

[PepsNick]

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To see some Marans that are good type I would recommend going to the French Marans site would post the link but do not know how. In the USA we only have one color we know what it should look like and is the BC. Ask 10 people what a Marans should look like and you will get 10 different definitions.

I'll leave Wynette in charge of what they should look like

 

[geebs]

My personal experience with the combs is that I wasn't worrying about them on my main rooster because it wasn't as important to me as some of the other traits he offered. I chose hens that were more correct in point count. I had to sit down and look very carefully to count the points on the young pullets and it was a culling point for this round. For what it is worth the hens improved the male offspring. This was the way I was told to do it and it worked for me.

 

[VillageChicken]

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I don't think so. The dominant melanizer Ml acts differently on ER hens than on ER roosters - maybe hormones take a role. But Ml is known to almost completely melanize an ER hen, where two doses of Ml don't overmelanize a rooster in the same way. But it's possible that Ml is indicated in the wider hackle stripe of roosters with otherwise good color.

 

[Debbi]

Hi all,

I was wondering, not being a chicken show person, when I read this in the SOP, "(See General Disqualifications and Cutting for Defects.)" is this referring to the APA? Don't have an SOP book, so can someone explain to me (without copyright enfringement!) what the General DQs and Cutting for Defects are? I'm aware of the brown wing triangle in a BCM male, and stuff like side springs, but what else is there? Thanks!

 

[pinkchick]

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Debbi~

It is a section in the Standards of Perfection book and it is in reference to all breeds in general for DQ's, faults and defects..ie.....crooked toes, side sprigs, wry tail, etc. Specific breed information is not located in this section.

 

[geebs]

Debbi, there is quite a lot of them... Basic shape of the bird is important... A twisted Keelbone, wrong toe count, bird with crooked legs, split wing, wry tail, are all the very basics of what not to have. If you want to move past that part and look at the DQ's and faults in the marans the white earlobe, dark eyes, yellow shanks are some of the DQ points. That is why it is important to have a good shaped bird in good condition as a foundation for your stock and then worry about color DQ's and then worry about copper/black balance and thing like combs and finery. We are all at different stages but this is the basic rules I follow. STRUCTURE and SHAPE first, then DQ's and then we work on the color balance... Others may do it different. BASIC STRUCTURE for any breed.....THe front of the black copper thread has links to shape and structure on the french website... It talks about what we need for that first and foremost... If you need me to link you... I will

If I didn't answer correctly... ask again..

 

[Debbi]

Thanks guys. I realized it was for all breeds, but didn't know exactly what was on there pertaining, mostly, to DQs.

I agree with you Jan. Size, type, and correct conformation come first. Your way is pretty much the path I will be taking as well.