Marans - SOP discussion thread

[math ace]

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The SOP's first 40 pages or so list and illustrate GENERAL faults and disqualifiers for all breeds. There are definitions and general scale of points too.

Things like wry tail, roach back, crows head, twisted combs, floppy combs etc . . . are all covered in that section. Those faults and DQ's have been pretty consistent for God knows how many years...

DMRIPPY, you are correct that the SOP does not include the marans specifically.....BUT these are GENERAL faults that ALL breeds are held accountable to.

Things like the correct eye color are faults unique to marans. Those faults won't be in the 2010 SOP.

Black Copper Marans are part of the SOP, however, not yet published in the current book. The Wheatens have also just been accepted. You have to go the the MCCUSA site for the official SOP descriptions. All other the other general stuff in the published book.

I am a little confused

Are you correcting me on something? ?

It sounds like, to me, that we are saying the same thing!

I just want to make sure I didn't miss something in your post....

 

[marquisella]

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Sue, Sorry to say but you are wrong on all your assumptions here. I doubled checked the SOP before postings. I stand by all points of the POST

I have seen first hand that a hen in lay is not DQ'd for a loped comb - even at the BIG shows (and they WERE DQ'd for a lot of other stuff) so I know she's not wrong about ALL her assumptions.

Here is a copy of the Marans standard about the hens comb: COMB: Single, smaller than that of the male; straight and upright, evenly serrated with five points, and fine in texture. No female in or near production with the rear portion of the comb lopped should be discriminated against. This is also in the sop.
Ok, Don is correct in that the SOP says a h en should not have a totally lopped comb, but I was trying to point out that the SOP does allow the hens to have some part of their comb lopped if they are in lay. There are qualifications that need to be understood a well.

Don, I cannot find any reference to a crow head. I would appreciate it if you could direct me to the page. I cannot find it.
I'm not saying crow head is correct, just that I cannot find where it says its a dq.

This thread is for education, I can accept corrections, I hope others can as well.

 

[math ace]

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Sue,

I am looking at the previous edition of the SOP and see under the definition of crow head...
A narrow, shallow, head, and beak ( fig 23); A SERIOUS DEFECT. pg. 7 in this edition.


Figure 23 on page 18 says....
UNDESIRABLE type of Single Comb.. .


Page 28 under interpretation of Standard for Judges - - breeders - - exhibitors
SHAPE and Type
(c) Head
Third sentence in says . .

"The head should be strong, moderately long, well filled in forward of the eyes to avoid any appearance of crowheadedness. with the skull inclined to be somewhat flat on top rather than round. "

I can't find any other information on that specifies Fault or DQ....
Maybe someone else can find more...

 

[math ace]

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I may of missed it , BUT I don't see Vulture hocks and it is a DQ

 

[math ace]

What is .. . .. Irregular pupil indicating lecosis ?

 

[rancher hicks]

Question Marans people.

I have Birchen chicks and this morning found one dead. This is the second of the 10 I got that died. Any chance this is a "line" thing. How big is the gene pool for this breed? I rarely lose a chick. Due to the rarity claims of this breed and my SFH's I'm concerned. They all seemed fine last night and I've had this particular group since 12/1. This group being 2 marans and 6 SFH's. I did lose one from the first shipment but it was on the small side and half that shipment, all SFH's, were dead. Both shipments were late by a day.

 

[slick4591]

So, should we pick up with this list and go forward?

 

[pinkchick]

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I think it just may be spell incorrectly, I believe it is is reference to leukosis.


Found this info at http://www.worldpoultry.net/diseases/skin-leukosis-d16.html Scroll down to bolded text.

Effects of Skin leukosis
It causes increased susceptibility (immunosuppression) to other diseases. Signs include weak, pale, off feed, diarrhea, poor performance, Cullen and blindness.

In white leghorn type birds, Classical Marek is common. There is paralysis or paresis (partial paralysis). There can be unilateral or bilateral paralysis of wings and legs, mortality, tumors and central nervous system signs (tremors). One leg stretches forward and backwards due to the other leg paralysis.

Post mortem lesions
The peripheral nerves are often enlarged (vagus, sacral, sciatic and brachial) with a loss of striations. They can also have gray or yellow discoloration and be oedematous (fluid filled).

The bursae are sometimes enlarged with tumors, but most often is atrophic. There are enlarged organs (gonad, spleen, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, proventriculus, Intestines etc) with focal nodular to white or gray tumors.

The skin has nodular, Palpable tumors.

The skeletal muscles have tumors. The eye (iris and pupil) may have diffuse depigmentation, diffuse fading bluish gray or diffuse opacity of the iris. The pupil may be irregular and tiny.
The bone is never involved and the blood fat and sometimes have tumors.

 

[math ace]

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I think it just may be spell incorrectly, I believe it is is reference to leukosis.


Found this info at http://www.worldpoultry.net/diseases/skin-leukosis-d16.html Scroll down to bolded text.

Thanks Kim.... The rest of your post was just to gross to repeat as I am trying to eat lunch while reading your post

I guess there NO WAY that I wouldn't know something was wrong with the bird

 

[stoopid]

Rancher, I believe you said you got Birchen?
Not a common enough color, but alot people have really screwed with the gene pool, that is why there are so many heated discussions as to what the colors should be, why does this bird look this way, and that bird look totally different?
I haven't heard anything bad about Greenfire farms, (I think that's where they came from?) Maybe they just caught something.
It is kinda cold up by you.
Sorry I can't answer you.
Anyone else?