Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

Hey all, just waiting to get some comments from others before commenting. So lets hear what other have to say about the white and legs color.

Have you seen this thread, Don? https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/579569/leg-color-in-black-copper-marans


From the French Marans web site: http://www.marans.eu/genetiqa.htm#genetiqa (reference to the white fluff /feathers appears at the end)

GENETIC CHARACTERISTICS OF SHANK COLOURATION

The skin colouration of poultry (for example, white skin or yellow skin) and the dermis of the shanks can be independently affected by the presence of specific genes responsible for leg colour in poultry.

There are indeed two different genes expressed by the signs (id+) and (ID) which are responsible for the presence or absence of “melanin” (black pigments) in the skin of the shanks.

The gene (id+) imposes the appearance of melanin in the dermal layer of the shanks, which then shows a bluish gray color in chickens with white skin (in the case of the white Bresse, for example).

However, found in the genotype of a breed with yellow skin, the shanks then appear olive-green (black breasted red English Game and certain Northern Games).

This genetic darkening characteristic of the legs (id+) is a recessive sex-linked trait.

The dominant gene (ID) causes, on the contrary, the absence of melanin on the level of the shanks, which are then expressed as rosy-white in the breeds with white skin (Marans or Gâtinaise, for example) or yellow in the breeds with yellow skin (Northern Games, Wyandottes).

On this subject, let us benefit from the occasion to recall that certain genes for plumage colour like “cuckoo” (B), “wheaten” (Ewh), or “splash” (Bl/Bl) are accompanied by a hereditary inhibition of the melanin, which explains in particular why all poultry breeds with “cuckoo” and “wheaten” plumage as in the Marans, have invariably clear shanks beaks and nails which are of course genetically dependent for their colour.

Nevertheless, for the Marans varieties with dominant black genes such as the self-coloured black, Silvered Black [Birchen], and Black-copper [Brown-red] the presence clear shanks involves an additional difficulty in the selection of breeding stock. In effect, this trait often appears in conjunction with the presence of light or white down or undercolour along with the appearance of unwanted white feathers at the base of the tail or wheaten flight feathers if they are not totally white.
 
White feathers can show up on blues and they should not have them either, IMO.

I am not 100% sure if this is still correct or not, but at one time on the purposed Blue Copper Color Standard it read that they could have no more than 2 white feathers. When I asked why this was allowed for the blues, I was told it is because blue is leaky gene and that blue can express in so many shades that it is hard to discern some light blue feathers from white.

Take that for what it is worth and whatever you can get from it because it did not make any sense to me at the time and still does not.

IMO, Blues and Blue Copper should be just as the Black Copper and Blacks.... white should be avoided. TRUST ME when I say that white feathers on blue are very distinguishable from a very light blue feather. White on Blue is as noticeable as white on Black.

Using the Splash there really is no way of knowing if they would pass it on unless you test mate each one singly *edited to add* and raise the Blue Copper offspring produced from Splash and watch for the white,* and or if you know if they came from Blue Copper or Black Copper lines or parentage that carries the dreaded white genetic crud. If the parent stock or lineage carried it, chances are it lurks in the gene pool.

All offspring from your Black Copper to Splash matings will be 100% blue...you will not get any blacks from this cross.
 
Quote: Barngoddess
Cushion: The saddle area with lots of extra cush that is not desired. I am trying to upload photo for you.

The area breeders refer to around their bums is the nice fluffy feathers from the vent to the underbelly area. This should be nice rich black and not a blackish-brownish color.
Someone please correct me if I am mistaken.
 
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Quote: Barngoddess
Cushion: The saddle area with lots of extra cush that is not desired. I am trying to upload photo for you.

The area breeders refer to around their bums is the nice fluffy feathers from the vent to the underbelly area. This should be nice rich black and not a blackish-brownish color.
Someone please correct me if I am mistaken.

I should have just stuck with "bum"!
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Thank you, Pink!!!! That is exactly what I understood but didn't pass on properly. SO much to keep up, learning all this stuff.
 
This is not a Marans, she's a cull from my silver penciled rock flock, DUE TO HER CUSHION (they shouldn't have one). See that big concave area on top/toward the back? They can be worse, but this is a bad, bad trait on a Rock, and a good example of the cushion:

 
This is not a Marans, she's a cull from my silver penciled rock flock, DUE TO HER CUSHION (they shouldn't have one). See that big concave area on top/toward the back? They can be worse, but this is a bad, bad trait on a Rock, and a good example of the cushion:

Wynette, Just a little info for you. This female has more of a problem with the sweep of the back. Cushion is back farther and goes from wing tip to wing tip. If this female had the right sweep of the back would probably not have a cushion problem.
 
Before I disposed of my Black copper Marans last summer. After five year of test matings and single matings I removed all the light shank male birds from the flock. If you breed the light leg males you will continue to get the white undercolor and the white feathers.

Barb , the last paragraph from the French site convenced me to go on with my testing and I am convenced they are right as I did a lot of matings using the Medium colored shank males.
 

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