Please stay Don. I dont want to have to answer any questions. Let's be friendly and have FUN with this. Marans are my favorite breed. I currently have 1 blue copper cockbird and 1 wheaten cockbird. Both are awesome in body type and color (except for a little bit of white on the base of a tail feather on my blue copper). I grew these out to see which of the 2 I wanted to use. I only have space for 1 pen of Marans so I decided to go with wheatens. I now have 10 wheaten chicks that are 2 weeks old (thanks again for great eggs ladycat). I plan use my blue copper cockbird over blue isbars. (Sorry for mentioning a cross).