Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

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It has been my experience that the biggest is usually not the most dominant, but rather the eldest that rules the roost.
The newer additons to a coop always are on the lower rung of the ladder.
The oldest hen will be boss.
In rooster land, it seems the bigger is ruler.
So your Cuckoo Pullet will always be #1.
And yes, they grow relatively fast, but not fast like a factory bird.
 
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I believe that once the USA standard is approved you will see less difference in the Marans being bred in the USA, Will everybody be happy, I doubt it as everyone of have likes and dislikes. We might as well get used to the APA standard as this is what we will be using if we show in the USA. I have seen no one saying do not breed to the French Standard. But if you will want to show you will need to show APA Marans.

I have hatched out and grew up over 1000 BC chicks in past three years and have yet to hatch a Wheaten from the BC. Others say they have so I can't really comment on that as I didn't see it happen. I have had the brown breast, white hackle under coat, white wing-Tail, and brown soft feathers under the vent and I have culled because I believe they have a wheaten influence. The only way we can really be sure who is producing what is single mate for a while and see what who is producing. I do not care what the Genetic charts say as I can still see what I am producing. Nothing worse than a person thinking they are a Genetic expert when they discover they can read the Genetic charts. Don
 
My Cuckoo cockerals are 6 months old, just started to crow, and are bigger and have zero white feathers...hmmmm
Comparing to the ones at the Ohio Show...think I should show these birds ?
I never have shown before...
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begging for treats, most of my hens are feather shanked and footed (feeted ?
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I think I may enter the cockeral and a hen in the Winter Brisk upcoming here in Washgton State...What do you think ?
 
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I'm still not understanding if you're culling those with wheaten influence because you're concerned they may carry the recessive gene and it'll show up in future generations or if you're culling for white feathers/brown fluff because these traits are undesirable in and of themselves regardless of where it's coming from...
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Thanks for your patience!
 
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I'm still not understanding if you're culling those with wheaten influence because you're concerned they may carry the recessive gene and it'll show up in future generations or if you're culling for white feathers/brown fluff because these traits are undesirable in and of themselves regardless of where it's coming from...
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Thanks for your patience!

When I see a BC with these faults there is no reason to guess if they are mixed with Wheaten as it is a fact that they are for sure. My question is if you see all these faults in your BC why would anyone that is breeding to sell eggs , chicks or adults breed these birds ? Now if you only want dark eggs and nothing else breed away. When we sell these BC with the faults I have described I believe we have a responsibility to inform the buyer that they will produce like quality Marans. Don​
 
Ok, I see. So then you are also culling the Black Coppers without obvious wheaten influence that produced the chicks that DID exhibit wheaten influence? It almost seems like you would have to start completely over even if you had some nice looking BCs from the lines that are producing wheaten influenced (but not wheaten) birds.
 
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Ok, I see. So then you are also culling the Black Coppers without obvious wheaten influence that produced the chicks that DID exhibit wheaten influence? It almost seems like you would have to start completely over even if you had some nice looking BCs from the lines that are producing wheaten influenced (but not wheaten) birds.

Yes, this is the reason for the single mating after all the obious faults are culled. Some say they do not have these faults, the only thing I can say show me the Poultry. The male will show more of these faults than the female. Don​
 
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Right. That's how it works, a BC is either carrying half the recessive Wheaten gene or it is not. It's very simple, and very easy to remove. These other things that people refer to as being "Wheaten influences", these are the difficult things, that's what I was referring to.

To state that they are literally influences attributed directly to Wheaten birds is conjecture, but that's not the point. To think that you're going to have Wheatens suddenly popping up simply because of some white fluff or blonde hackles, that's not going to happen and THAT was the point I was trying to make in the first place, when some chose to dogpile on me.

Darth,
I am relatively new to this forum but wanted to say that I did not get the sense that anyone was "dog piling" on you or anyone else. There is just soooooooooooo much information being exchanged & differing opinions of that information being offered here. I for one am struggling to absorb what I can as it flies by. I do this my reading daily & trying to keep up with the posts. I don't want anyone that contributes to this information to feel like they should have to stop because they don't always agree. I think the lessons to be learned is so worth it. New blood asking new questions like "Smith" is so invigorating that I look forward to the discussion that follows. We can all learn to take what we need & leave the rest behind. I am loving it................. There is so much to learn
 
I see we are getting requests to comment on Wheaten and Cuckoo and other colors . Lets take a break and see if we can help some on these questions. After all the Wheaten will be up at the crossroads show next October. The Wheaten are my favorite of all the Marans, I might like the Black Marans if I could find some hidden pool of Black Marans somewhere.
 

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