Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

I had asked the question before, how to get darker eggs thus perfecting you breed, and didn't get an answer. Now I re-ask that Q and want to know how to get olive eggers from my breed. What do you mate them to?
I recently wrote that I realized that the Black copper Marans I purchsed is actually a Wheaten Marans, and the two females are Black Marans. I asked if their off spring would look and be desirable. I received a a response that said what I would have would be 'mutts'. :( Not the wording I would have used to someone. They are still Marans, maybe not show quality as a pure breed, but that was not what I was asking. What I wanted to know was, would the Wheaten coloring come through when the mother is a Black marans?
Several people have already chimed in on the olive eggs, but I will just add that my Black Copper male bred to a Black Ameraucana produced the most gorgeous black crosses with beautiful green sheen to their feathers and several are starting to lay nice olive green eggs, just like what I hoped for.

About your Wheaten x Black Copper Marans, yes they are Marans, but a cross that is not a recognized color, and will not breed true itself, so not a "breed" in the true sense. You may not get an answer to your question because most of us do our best to avoid these crosses since it is hard enough to get the colors right in the pure breeds. There is not much point in crossing them, in fact it could be detrimental to the breed in general if the offspring are given away/sold and down the line some unsuspecting person now thinks they have a pure breed and continue on to bred it, causing more problems. I hope you see how things could develop or end up. Sometimes people say, well I am only breeding these for my own use, etc. but it does not always work that way. A bird or two given to a friend who also says they only want for egg layers....then down the road that bird changes hands, gets bred as if pure...once a bird leaves your hands, you have no control over what happens to it. These are just my thoughts, some things to consider. I have read over and over that mixes in the Black Copper Marans are what has caused a lot of problems in the breed today, influences from other breeds or just another variety of Marans like Wheaten mixed in. Those genes are there and play havoc in the offspring. OK, too much caffeine this morning...better go feed the birds now.
 
Several people have already chimed in on the olive eggs, but I will just add that my Black Copper male bred to a Black Ameraucana produced the most gorgeous black crosses with beautiful green sheen to their feathers and several are starting to lay nice olive green eggs, just like what I hoped for.

About your Wheaten x Black Copper Marans, yes they are Marans, but a cross that is not a recognized color, and will not breed true itself, so not a "breed" in the true sense. You may not get an answer to your question because most of us do our best to avoid these crosses since it is hard enough to get the colors right in the pure breeds. There is not much point in crossing them, in fact it could be detrimental to the breed in general if the offspring are given away/sold and down the line some unsuspecting person now thinks they have a pure breed and continue on to bred it, causing more problems. I hope you see how things could develop or end up. Sometimes people say, well I am only breeding these for my own use, etc. but it does not always work that way. A bird or two given to a friend who also says they only want for egg layers....then down the road that bird changes hands, gets bred as if pure...once a bird leaves your hands, you have no control over what happens to it. These are just my thoughts, some things to consider. I have read over and over that mixes in the Black Copper Marans are what has caused a lot of problems in the breed today, influences from other breeds or just another variety of Marans like Wheaten mixed in. Those genes are there and play havoc in the offspring. OK, too much caffeine this morning...better go feed the birds now.
well put desertmarcy :) once the generations change hands way down the line: a bird may look like a certain variety but throw odd birds. It would make what one person may have worked hard at in their own project, only to cause them big problems.
 
Maybe an odd question but here goes: I've hollowed out some of my marans pullet eggs for decoration. They all seem to change in tone once they're hollowed and left out. Not as pretty. Thought about spraying a clear paint coat, but wanted opinions if anyone else has done it.
 
Maybe an odd question but here goes: I've hollowed out some of my marans pullet eggs for decoration. They all seem to change in tone once they're hollowed and left out. Not as pretty. Thought about spraying a clear paint coat, but wanted opinions if anyone else has done it. 


I have heard if you use a tiny amount of mineral spirits, found at any drug store and then seal with hair spray a hollowed egg will keep its shine and color. I dont know if thisnis true but would make for a good experiment.
 
Maybe an odd question but here goes: I've hollowed out some of my marans pullet eggs for decoration. They all seem to change in tone once they're hollowed and left out. Not as pretty. Thought about spraying a clear paint coat, but wanted opinions if anyone else has done it. 



I don't do that but I know they change color during incubation. mine get darker. someone at a show was showing eggs their chicks hatched from and it can be misleading. if you used the color chart with incubated eggs you might think you would get two shades darker when your chicks.start laying.
 
I'm new this site as a poster so I'm not sure the past history of this page, but it sounds heated. I just wanted to get my opinion of this beautiful breed out there. I have a trio of French Copper Black Marans and they are gorgeous to be in no way self serving. I got my trio as a second crop from an original importer. My one hen has the flaw of having naked legs, but I lover her just the same. I have two major issues with my trio though, first my rooster is as violent as a game cock, ex. he took on a young hawk and won, second my hens are both food vacuums and very poor producers, about 160 eggs a year each. Not to mention the hens fight all the time too. These birds are beautiful, and you feel luxurious eating the eggs, they are the eggs James Bond, Sean Connery, eats in three of this movies and they are a fairly expensive in french restaurants, around 10 euros for one as Eggs Benedicta, that was the price the last time I was in country. With all this extravagance its no wonder do me that people who raise them cant help but feel a little posh. That being said, these chickens are not for a beginner and may be their own worst enemy for getting more breeders to raise them.

That's really strange about the aggression. I have Marans from several different sources, and they are all mellow birds. Some of them even let me pick them up with no fuss.

Marans are not extremely heavy producers. I'm far from expert, but I've read that slow production = darker eggs.
 
Could I please get as much feedback as possible from those of you that incubate Maran eggs. I've got 70 on day 12 now and have heard they are tricky, I know I can't see anything but the air sack when candling. Is there anything special I should be doing? Thanks and hoping for some good info.
 
ello I have an 18 week old marans hen and she seems to be acting weird. She has always been a loner and stays away from the others. Lately she has been getting worse. It seems like she can't support herself anymore. She is very wobbly. Is she sick? Or could it be a birth defect?
 
The genetics of egg color have not been worked on enough for any research results to be available, unfortunately. Typically in Marans, eggs do not begin lighter for the first 3-4 months and then get darker, it's actually the opposite that's true. There are definitely some pullets that lay a lighter egg for the first 3 or 4 eggs, but they should very quickly get darker, they should not take 3-4 months to do so.

I've never tried using a blue egg laying male over a Marans female, but have always been curious about the results of that cross for olive eggers. I normally pick out a few pretty easter eggers each year and pop a female or two into my Marans pens for my olive eggers.

I have two blue isbar x blue marans pullets who are close to point of lay -- i'll let you know what the results look like once i start getting eggs!
 
I have heard if you use a tiny amount of mineral spirits, found at any drug store and then seal with hair spray a hollowed egg will keep its shine and color. I dont know if thisnis true but would make for a good experiment.
Thank you Anfan, i will give it a try

I don't do that but I know they change color during incubation. mine get darker. someone at a show was showing eggs their chicks hatched from and it can be misleading. if you used the color chart with incubated eggs you might think you would get two shades darker when your chicks.start laying.
thank you DMRippy. It's interesting how they change. To me they don't look as pretty. When they're first laid, or refrigerated, they have a dark vibrant color. After they sit out it, I can't really describe it. Almost a weird tinge to the color. I will try mineral spirits and Clear coat spray.
 

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