Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[snowbird]

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Your Black Copper female appears to be really good type from what I can see. The comb can be corrected by breeding to a male with a good comb. Very nice though.

 

[Chef]

I posted a picture of my blue copper's LARGE egg the other day. That color is her typical color. She lays it 5 out of 7 days. Every once in a long while, she will throw be a lighter egg that has huge dark spots on it . . . . I set one of those eggs to experiment with what you are asking now - - - If 1 out of 60 eggs is messed up or disappointing - - - then that should not be held against her. Her egg color gene is pretty consistent . . . I would think anything - - -non-genetic could explain the fluke egg every once in a while.

Just wanted to clarify something about what you said here as i am sort of confused. You say that "her color gene is pretty consistent...". I am no expert by any means on genetics but I didn't think that a gene could be here sometimes and not others. If the bird is born with this dark egg gene then I would think even if you only got dark eggs half the time then the bird would still be carrying the dark egg gene. Otherwise you would never get a dark egg at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Chef​

 

[math ace]

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REALLY ? ? ? I must go read that other thread . . . .

I think most of us regulars want honest and can take it anyway you want to dish it out !

NEWCOMERS - - that is a whole other ball game.
We use to have a rule at the school that I worked at to keep our students motivated - - -

For EVERY NEGATIVE thing you say, you must say 3 positives.

Now sometimes, it is not possible to say three positives (without lying). In that case, suggesting how to fix the fault ) negative does serve as a positive.

OK enough psychology ! I still want your

advice and you don't have to dress it up pretty for me!

I will go check out the other thread - - -
OK enought trash talking, I am on my way to find that dark egg thread !

Edited to delete my own trash talking ! ! !

 

[math ace]

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Just wanted to clarify something about what you said here as i am sort of confused. You say that "her color gene is pretty consistent...". I am no expert by any means on genetics but I didn't think that a gene could be here sometimes and not others. If the bird is born with this dark egg gene then I would think even if you only got dark eggs half the time then the bird would still be carrying the dark egg gene. Otherwise you would never get a dark egg at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Chef

Oh Chef,

It has been a really rough evening - - the gene is there all the time - - but outside factors such as diet, sickness, being spooked, etc. can cause all kinds of weird things to happen occasionally. Hens will typically lay a soft egg when they are first learning to lay - - -HOWEVER, there are some hens who occasionally do not fully develope an egg (after they have learned what they are doing) and lay a soft egg later in the year. I believe the same thing can happen in the MARANS paint factory. . . . Occasionally an egg gets pushed through too quickly and comes out lighter and spotted. I've had others who occasionally push one through with that white film on them OR occasionally push one through that has a bumpy extra calcium type shell. We have even seen the double yolkers get push out. So, 59 out of 60 eggs are great - - - but 1 out of 60 comes out wrong - - -whether it is color, texture, etc.

I would not nullify the consistency of this hen if 1 out of 60 go wrong. I would still call this bird a marans . . . JMO

 

[Chef]

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That is a very good looking girl you have there. I would'nt be to worried about that comb if it was my bird. Egg color looks decent as well. Seems to be a keeper to me! Nice job.

Chef

 

[math ace]

Ok snowbird, I went there and visited . . .

Here is the deal - - WE ARE SERIOUS about breeding and so we give SERIOUS feedback.
I can not let what they say stop me from learning because I have a different goal in mind. . .

I do get a little unsettled when there are snide comments during the internal arguing.
The fussiness has seemed much worse lately and I really don't know what the solution is going to be.

INTENSE - - we are intense . . .
I don't think the intense comes from your critiques on the photos.
I think the intense comes in with all the debating over the standards:
what should or should not be in them,
what min color on the egg,
even the breeding ratios . . .

These are heavy issues and are intense. I leave our forum with my head spinning and thinking about all kinds of new concepts.
If we could avoid the snide comments - - at least on the public forum - -, then I would not see a problem with the intense topics we cover. . . .

 

[halo]

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Lilacfeather - - - - you can still breed her. There are lots of things I have learned through this thread and one of them is the idea complementry breeding . . . . In other words, if your hen has a tail that is too high, then you would breed her to a roo with a tail too low - - - so that the chicks would have a tail the averaged out the faults.

I was hoping to have a discussion on tails today. Instead, these folks have been discussing egg color while I was gone

I don't know if the stray feather counts as in the angle measurement that is being proposed for BCM. . .
Pink did a good job today of explaining the long back concept. . .

Perhaps, tomorrow we can re-visit this topic !

Lilacfeather Your splash marans are very pretty and you are very lucky to have gotten some. I am still learning the proper "form", so I am not qualified to really say anything about their shape - - - but they are pretty !

Thanks for being a good sport and letting us use your bird in my proposed discussion.

Im just lurking and reading...because theres so much here to lurk and read about....but the statement I bolded up top bothers me. I know with horses, and with dogs, genetics just doesnt work that way. You dont breed to faults together to get something in the middle. You breed a fault to a CORRECT type to hopefully produce correct. Genes dont "average", they produce to either one or the other. Now I do know, its not that simplistic, and theres a lot more genetics involved, but I would never breed 2 faults together hoping for correct. For example, with horses, if you have a mare that toes out, you breed her to the most correct straight legged horse you can find. You don't breed her to one that toes in.

 

[Chef]

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Just wanted to clarify something about what you said here as i am sort of confused. You say that "her color gene is pretty consistent...". I am no expert by any means on genetics but I didn't think that a gene could be here sometimes and not others. If the bird is born with this dark egg gene then I would think even if you only got dark eggs half the time then the bird would still be carrying the dark egg gene. Otherwise you would never get a dark egg at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Chef

Oh Chef,

It has been a really rough evening - - the gene is there all the time - - but outside factors such as diet, sickness, being spooked, etc. can cause all kinds of weird things to happen occasionally. Hens will typically lay a soft egg when they are first learning to lay - - -HOWEVER, there are some hens who occasionally do not fully develope an egg (after they have learned what they are doing) and lay a soft egg later in the year. I believe the same thing can happen in the MARANS paint factory. . . . Occasionally an egg gets pushed through too quickly and comes out lighter and spotted. I've had others who occasionally push one through with that white film on them OR occasionally push one through that has a bumpy extra calcium type shell. We have even seen the double yolkers get push out. So, 59 out of 60 eggs are great - - - but 1 out of 60 comes out wrong - - -whether it is color, texture, etc.

I would not nullify the consistency of this hen if 1 out of 60 go wrong. I would still cause this bird a marans . . . JMO

Oh I'm sorry to hear about your evening Ace. Thanks for explaining all of that but not really what I was shootin at. I just wanted to clarify that to my knowledge a gene cannot be "consistent" as you said right? I'm not trying to be nit picky here but when I read it I thought to myself can a gene be "consistent" or "inconsistent"? Sorry if I read into it a little much.

I hope the rest of your evening goes better Ace!

Chef

 

[Newyorkrita]

Here is my BCM chick two weeks old now. No feathers on its legs.

 

[sewandgrow]

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I think you may have read that in Bev Davis' website under Marans