Marans Thread for Posting Pics of Your Eggs, Chicks and Chickens

[jeremy]

What are the odds of hatching a Wheaten Marans from a Black Copper Marans bloodline? I put about 2 1/2 dozen BC Marans eggs into the incubator on Sunday, do y'all think a Wheaten chick could pop up unexpectedly? These birds are primarily Bev Davis lines from what I was told.

Sorry if I'm bringing up an old topic, I'm too lazy to search through the hundreds of pages over and over. I've seen this mentioned before and just wanted to see if there was any statistical reasoning behind the Wheaten sports or if they were just a random genetic occurrence?

 

[OSUman]

Quote:
Well it depends if your birds are true BCM or if they have two parents that are BCM split to wheatan. If it has two parents that are split to wheatan then %50 will be split to wheatan and %50 will be wheatan. All US lines of BCM have some wheatan genes in them.

 

[pinkchick]

Quote:
The odds are very good!

I breed only Davis birds and they have never thrown a wheaten.......however when I hatch out my friends Black Copper eggs (because she is afraid of the incubator

) that are of Jeanne lines, with out fail every hatch has a wheaten or two show up and throw in what OSUman said.....yep the odds are pretty good.

 

[drom]

Quote:
This is a really fun calculator. Don't know if you have tried it or not but all you do is select your bird's color types in the drop down box and then click on " go to chicken calculator" on the right and it will provide you with the theoretical percentage of different offspring and their genotypes that will result from the cross. Then you can take each of the offspring with their different genotypes and calculate crosses with them.
It works well to calculate theoretical percentages of offspring from Black Coppers that carry recessive genes for Wheaten.

http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

 

[marquisella]

Quote:
This is a really fun calculator. Don't know if you have tried it or not but all you do is select your bird's color types in the drop down box and then click on " go to chicken calculator" on the right and it will provide you with the theoretical percentage of different offspring and their genotypes that will result from the cross. Then you can take each of the offspring with their different genotypes and calculate crosses with them.
It works well to calculate theoretical percentages of offspring from Black Coppers that carry recessive genes for Wheaten.

http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

I have had Bev Davis black coppers for over 3 years, and never hatched a wheaten. I am 100% confidant that if your birds are only her line, will not get any Wheatens.
The Wheatens that pop up are from the Jeane line. Its getting pretty common for wheatens to hatch from that line, so you know that somewhere, a wheaten was in the mix.

I bought mine directly from Bev. If you are getting eggs or birds second hand,then you don't know what was mixed in.

Sue

 

[snowbird]

I have hatched out this year mostly Wade Jeane Black Coppers to the number of over 600 and have not had one wheaten chick. I don't use the Bev Davis BC because of the high tail set and the white feathers, All of the lines being bred by different people have enough problems . There are no super Black Coppers being bred that I have heard about.


Quote:
This is a really fun calculator. Don't know if you have tried it or not but all you do is select your bird's color types in the drop down box and then click on " go to chicken calculator" on the right and it will provide you with the theoretical percentage of different offspring and their genotypes that will result from the cross. Then you can take each of the offspring with their different genotypes and calculate crosses with them.
It works well to calculate theoretical percentages of offspring from Black Coppers that carry recessive genes for Wheaten.

http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

I have had Bev Davis black coppers for over 3 years, and never hatched a wheaten. I am 100% confidant that if your birds are only her line, will not get any Wheatens.
The Wheatens that pop up are from the Jeane line. Its getting pretty common for wheatens to hatch from that line, so you know that somewhere, a wheaten was in the mix.

I bought mine directly from Bev. If you are getting eggs or birds second hand,then you don't know what was mixed in.

Sue

 

[marquisella]

No, there are no super Marans out there. The poster asked about the chance of getting Wheaten in the Davis line and I responded with my experience and that of others.

There are multiple posts on many forums with people stating their Wade Jeans bcs threw wheatens. Its not a secret. I'm sure there are some Jeane birds out there that don't, even many Jeane followers will say the same. Each line needs to work on improving their issues.

You throw out that your bc from Davis has a high tail and white feathers. Those are things one can work on to eliminate and are obvious. Having the Wheaten gene pop up in ones flock of BCs isn't obvious until it happens and is a lot harder to fix.

Sue

Quote:
I have had Bev Davis black coppers for over 3 years, and never hatched a wheaten. I am 100% confidant that if your birds are only her line, will not get any Wheatens.
The Wheatens that pop up are from the Jeane line. Its getting pretty common for wheatens to hatch from that line, so you know that somewhere, a wheaten was in the mix.

I bought mine directly from Bev. If you are getting eggs or birds second hand,then you don't know what was mixed in.

Sue

 

[chickenherder]

Actually it might be more obvious than people want to admit.

Does the rooster have straw hackles?

Could be it's a Black Copper crossed with a Wheaten Marans somewhere along the line so no surprise at all.

Quote:

 

[snowbird]

If we want to get serious about the Black Copper look at the French standard and they encourage the white leg with the red stripe, this is a sure way of saying they have Wheaten in the background. Even the best BC will show some neck feathers that are lighter in the different birds if we raise enough to be able to determine what we have to work with.

I don't think it is right to bring up breeders on an open forum. On a forum where you can control everything that is posted you can do it. Everyone has an opinion.

I believe the US Marans Clubs should set up their own standards and not worry about what the French Marans club thinks.


Quote:

 

[geebs]

I have hatched 100's of eggs from the Wade line and never ended up with Wheaton, however I have been careful about where I purchased my birds... Bev has had her birds a long time and has bred that line out... I haven't heard complaints of wheaton showing up in that line... (though anything is possible) She has worked that line real well before it was available... The person to ask is Bev herself. The wade line has been here less time and therefore doesn't have the work done to it... that coupled with the fact that ppl aren't necessarily aware of what happens when you cross the lines... All kinds of things pop up. I would do a one roo to one hen hatch until I found out what combination is throwing the gene.... Then eliminate the offender... I only use one roo at a time and so I can rule out pretty quickly the problems... I also separate my eggs by the hen that laid them so that when they hatch I have a very good idea of what the genes between any given pair can do... Just a suggestion... Recordkeeping is really important here.... or just enjoy the birds... The straw hackles in the rooster is a give away.... If you roo has that... Not to be mixed up with two tone copper and magenta....The color as it is stated....STRAW.