Medicated feed

[Folly's place]

It's frustrating and sad to see old outdated information recycled through, when current regs and data are ignored. Erik can eat all the eggs he wants, realizing that a very small amount of tetracycline will be present. Hopefully he won't be selling them on to anyone else. I wonder how those bags of medicated feed were labeled? Maybe he has a complaint against the seller? Mary

 

[erik67]

There is no warnings on the bag of feed that say anything about laying hens I would like to post a pic of the bag but it won't let me upload pics right now

 

[Egghead_Jr]

There is no warnings on the bag of feed that say anything about laying hens I would like to post a pic of the bag but it won't let me upload pics right now

If you use Firefox just copy the photo and paste it in post. A new dialog box will pop up and paste again in that. Curious...I'm using Chrome right now...let me check.

Ok, that worked. Didn't first time as I copied the photo from google images before opening view of full photo. Worked the second time.

 

[erik67]

http://cdn.backyardchickens.com/2/20/300x300px-LS-20289848_10983.jpeg

 

[ChickenJerk]

If anyone is interested in facts -

http://www.kepro.nl/catalogus/product-96.html?ref=adv&ingredient=0&animal=0&type=0&cat=4

I am surprised that this pharmaceutical is available in retail feeds.

 

[Egghead_Jr]

I started to look at the link to backyard chickens thread on medications. 18 pages is a bit much to poor over to find evidence that chlortetracycline shouldn't be used in poultry. So I did a search and limited it to this past year.

Dr Jacquie Jacob, University of Kentucky published May, 5, 2015.

http://articles.extension.org/pages...ed-for-use-in-conventional-poultry-production

FARAD Sept, 18, 2015

http://www.usfarad.org/drug-wdi-faqs.html

Then I read a bunch of studies about commercial practices that are providing eggs in US above the allowable levels. And studies showing dosage in feed and comparing to amounts in egg whites and yolks over time that dosage was being lowered in feed. No actual withdrawal.

Are we just saying that on a micron level that there will be tetracycline in eggs for months after medication is stopped? I'll buy that and not research anymore but the current data is suggesting this is not a problem under regulated levels. In studies of slow withdrawal of medicated amounts in feed, the amounts in eggs went down as fast as the daily intake and always less. Suggesting there is a fast withdrawal.

It's important when stating things that the entire knowledge base be addressed. For organic people and naturalist any amount is horrifying. I get that. I'm just not seeing any evidence that micro levels far below any regulated standard is hazardous or ill effect to health.

 

[Folly's place]

I've been a veterinarian and a backyard chicken owner for a very long time, and over the years new information, new drugs, and new regulations develop. What was considered good practice even five years ago has changed, and that's truth. I'm going to go with the new guidelines for the USA, because that's where I live and practice. When the rules and recommendations change again, that's where I'll be. Antibiotic resistance in bacteria is a huge issue that affects everyone, and that's where the newer tougher controls on drug use in food animals is so important. Mary

 

[ChickenCanoe]

... Antibiotic resistance in bacteria is a huge issue that affects everyone, and that's where the newer tougher controls on drug use in food animals is so important. Mary

Halleluiah.

I wish more people considered and talked about that instead of jumping the gun to give meds.

I don't want to hijack this thread but speaking of practices changing. I've been informed that treating bumblefoot no longer utilizes surgery, is that correct?

 

[shortgrass]

I started to look at the link to backyard chickens thread on medications. 18 pages is a bit much to poor over to find evidence that [COLOR=333333]chlortetracycline shouldn't be used in poultry. So I did a search and limited it to this past year.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=333333]Dr Jacquie Jacob, University of Kentucky published May, 5, 2015.[/COLOR]

http://articles.extension.org/pages...ed-for-use-in-conventional-poultry-production

FARAD Sept, 18, 2015

http://www.usfarad.org/drug-wdi-faqs.html

Then I read a bunch of studies about commercial practices that are providing eggs in US above the allowable levels. And studies showing dosage in feed and comparing to amounts in egg whites and yolks over time that dosage was being lowered in feed. No actual withdrawal. 

Are we just saying that on a micron level that there will be tetracycline in eggs for months after medication is stopped? I'll buy that and not research anymore but the current data is suggesting this is not a problem under regulated levels. In studies of slow withdrawal of medicated amounts in feed, the amounts in eggs went down as fast as the daily intake and always less. Suggesting there is a fast withdrawal. 

It's important when stating things that the entire knowledge base be addressed. For organic people and naturalist any amount is horrifying. I get that. I'm just not seeing any evidence that micro levels far below any regulated standard is hazardous or ill effect to health. 

Just wanting to quick mention; your failure to locate information as to "damage", its too early to see damage from them yet. It'll take 2-3 generations to show up as DNA mutation from RNA damage.


Much like Glyphosate, which is now into such excessive levels that it's in out drinking water, and after 3 generations, the autism rate has grown from 1 in 1000 to 1 in 10; our children will face an autism rate of 1 in 2. Cancer rates are through the roof, and digestive issues plauge something like 85% of the US population, things like gluten intolerance and celiac disease, inflammatory bowel etc.....

We will see the damage in our grandchildren, whether or not we see the damage now.

 

[erik67]

The medicated feed worked the chickens are healthy and doing a lot better hen lays one egg a day and is now been off the med feed for three weeks