Meet the "Warlander" a new fad breed of horse

[Bossroo]

What a crock !!! I have seen better Mustangs at the BLM for $25 / head.

 

[patandchickens]

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Well actually most of our domestic-animal breeds were created more from generation after generation after generation of SELECTION than by crossing.

No such thing as an instant breed; and, how much do we really *need* more breeds anyhow?

Pat

 

[patandchickens]

As to the breed.... Good. Grief.

For one thing if the "breed" homepage is the most-flattering pics they can take of the things, I surely have better things to do.

For another thing, the homepage first sentence is: "The Warlander started as a dream, and was created by the desire to develop a breed with outstanding beauty, grace, athleticism, and intelligence. "

Ah, I see! How amazing it never occurred to anyone *previously*, in the past ten thousand years or so, to try to develop a breed that has outstanding beauty, grace, athleticism, and intelligence. How very different their goals are than any other breeds'!

Sheesh.

And in heaven's name, if you're going to cross SOMETHING with a Friesian and try to stabilize the traits in future generations; or if you are going to cross SOMETHING with an Andalusian and try to stabilize the traits in future generations; why would you cross THOSE PARTICULAR TWO breeds? They are WAY WAY too unlike. Except in Fabiosity.

Hmph. People!

Pat

 

[Celtic Hill]

The dressage picture on the main page in the upper left corner looks weird, something isn't right in that picture.

Any ways, all these warmbloods are a mix of breeds ne ways, i could breed my Irish sport horse to a dutch warmblood, have the foal inspected and it would be a pure "dutch warmblood" because it goes more on type then blood line. So that is why you see so many warmblood stallions in 3-4 different books.

Give me a Arab or Arab cross any day.

 

[Peaches Lee]

I wouldn't call it a "new" fad, it's been around awhile.

I think it's actually a good thing to cross with the Andalusian because Friesians are dangerously inter-bred, and they unfortunately have a laundry list of genetic disorders due to that. Things like dwarfism, anhidrosis, eczema etc. really plague the breed, it's hard to find individuals to breed who aren't related. If the idea is to preserve the Friesian (which I think is a good idea), to me you can't get any better than the Andalusian, because as was pointed out earlier, has already added some genetic material way back when. Perhaps instead of a "breed" a registry could open their books for new blood to extend the diversity, or develop a program with this goal in mind, not just accept part-breds.

 

[welsummerchicks]

I feel the opposite way. I can't imagine a worse choice of breed to cross a Friesian with.

And actually, every single breed in Europe has some Spanish blood in it so that is no reason today to do anything! Even warmbloods were first started by using Spanish blood. That doesn't make them a good cross today! Basically - all there WAS was Spanish blood and they were used in ALL breeds, because that's what was around and that's what everyone liked. The Spanish horses of today are very, very different animals anyway from what they were 400 yrs ago.

Umpty zillion years ago wealthy young gentlemen walked 180 Arabian, Turk and a good many unknown and 'from some other place' mares over to England (except for the boat part, they walked), and they were bred with the local English horses. The first crosses were disastrous, but it just so happened that through a lot of culling and a lot of generations, something good came out of it. And that doesn't mean all Arab crosses work well today either.

If someone held my feet to the fire and FORCED me, I'd cross a Frieisan with a Gelderland, a Gottlander, even at a horrific stretch a Dales, or something like that, and I'd still be gagging looking at the F1 generation, and culling like mad. As far as the problem genes, yes, that's a problem, and there could be some strategic outcrossing done in order to try to dilute those genes further, but for Heaven's sake not Andalusians. But it's just a problem, frankly, and a few years ago there were only a handful of Friesians left and all are very closely related now and that is serious.

You see, that is the real secret behind developing a REAL new breed. You pick the very best and most suited animals of the two breeds, you reject most of the breeding stock you look at, and you finally find some that meet criteria, you breed them, and then you take 90% of what is produced out back and shoot it!

I would never breed an Andalusian to anything but an Andalusian, Lusitano or Alter Real - that one I'd die for, even if someone DID hold my feet to a fire.

This is not developing a breed for a use like other breeds, this is different, this is what most people call a 'Junk Breed' and a 'Junk Registry'. These are two breeds it makes no sense to cross, and the results are - not a very useful horse - the pics prove that. Sure some one is going to like it, but that don't mean nothin'. Remember how many people bought pet rocks.

 

[Celtic Hill]

^^^ Yeah what she said ^^^

If you look at the pictures they either look more Andalusian or more Frisian. So whats the point?

 

[welsummerchicks]

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[welsummerchicks]

There is no point, Celtic. That's the point.

What traits are you taking from A, and what traits from B, and why? What job is the animal going to do? Dressage?

What from A? 'PURTY!' And what from B? 'PURTY!'

Hey what is the deal of having that little old bearded thing with the cane agreeing with my post????!!!!

I'll have you know, SONNY, I can still whip my weight in...cough cough cough, hack, hack wheeeeeeeze!

 

[Celtic Hill]

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But I feel like Andalusian and Frisians aren't that big in dressage, the warmbloods are still prevalent in dressage to begin with.

And if its a cross between an Andy and A Frisian, then it wouldn't be a warmblood, wouldn't it be better to classify it as a baroque? (or dare I say a mut?)