Michigan Thread - all are welcome!

glad he's willing to work with you guys... hope it works out.

I've had issues with my own dogs too so I can feel for his situation.
 
DH stopped and talked to him on Tuesday. Guy was very apologetic and said he would pay for our losses. He and DH exchanged phone numbers and we will be calling him, probably today, to give him a total, and if he wants it itemized, I can do that. (Not that it matters or is any kind of an excuse, but they "just moved to the area" and they don't have a fence or anything up yet and allegedly they door-dashed on his wife.) Animal Control also called Wednesday to let me know that the owner was retrieving his dog, and in addition to paying for the pound fees and vet care for the porcupine she got into, that the owner would receive a ticket for his dogs getting into the birds while loose. AC ALSO gave me the man's name, phone number, and address so we could contact him. SO, long story short, we will be getting money from the owner and he has a very expensive dog.
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AFAIK, the other dog is still at large, or at least was as of yesterday. THAT dog isn't the one that was IN THE COOP though....was outside the fence and was the first one to take off when DH ran out the door.

They live almost a mile and a half away from us, so the dogs went quite a long way (IMO) in order to get here......they probably just stumbled across the birds and did what dogs do. It was very upsetting, but part of owning poultry is having predator losses. I don't think I have any lasting hard feelings toward him, after all, I used to have a dog that was an escape artist who killed quite a few of our chickens.....and I know how frustrating it can be to think that you've found a way to contain the dog only have it get out within minutes. If it becomes a serial problem.......well......my feelings will probably change.

I really hope they pay without issue. Every time someone downplays chicken losses, and we hear about so many on BYC everyday that it's easy to get desensitized to it, I think about it happening to me. After all the work you put in... I mean, I know some of the old-timers brush it off as part of chicken-keeping and though it's true (and I've worked really hard to be callous like that too) that position does little to diminish the void when all that work (at the very least) is gone. It just can't. Speak then of emotional attachment, the human element, the bond that some of us project towards other creatures. It's just not good. Accidents happen, sure. And then there are those who don't think - and they should (I'm a firm believer that everyone should use their brains). Whatever, live and learn hopefully, right? On their end? I see the merit in the 3x the charges bit, when you factor in the time, the money, the work, etc. on top the animals one may have had an emotional attachment to. I like that it's there if you need it. Not that money is a replacement for love, but you know...

I'd like to know how that works out and the formula you chose to go with. I hear dogs barking up both streets on either side of us every day. It's just a matter of time.


So I found this article now - looks like someone's trying to fix that other less than savory article. I'm not sure about the whole 'hipster' thing, not sure I'm sophisticated enough to know any.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/20...-the-truth-behind-abandoned-backyard-chickens
 
Since chickens don't have teeth (unless you count the egg tooth) grit is essential to the digestion process. The small stones, are used with the muscular action of the gizzard to grind their food into smaller digestible particles. Any time birds are fed anything besides crumbled feed they need access to grit. Since the gizzard is downstream from the crop, the lack of grit would not factor into crop impaction. Most times the impaction will be plant material that was eaten as a long strand.

ACV I've always used 2 tablespoons per gallon.

Oh they have plenty of grit, just no stones larger than 1/4" since I use the hardware cloth to clean things. I do occasionally weed my garden and then throw entire plants in the run when I am finished, so I guess that is something I need to stop doing, in addition to keeping feathers picked up and increasing their protein above what they get in the layer feed.
 
DH stopped and talked to him on Tuesday. Guy was very apologetic and said he would pay for our losses. He and DH exchanged phone numbers and we will be calling him, probably today, to give him a total, and if he wants it itemized, I can do that. (Not that it matters or is any kind of an excuse, but they "just moved to the area" and they don't have a fence or anything up yet and allegedly they door-dashed on his wife.) Animal Control also called Wednesday to let me know that the owner was retrieving his dog, and in addition to paying for the pound fees and vet care for the porcupine she got into, that the owner would receive a ticket for his dogs getting into the birds while loose. AC ALSO gave me the man's name, phone number, and address so we could contact him. SO, long story short, we will be getting money from the owner and he has a very expensive dog.
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AFAIK, the other dog is still at large, or at least was as of yesterday. THAT dog isn't the one that was IN THE COOP though....was outside the fence and was the first one to take off when DH ran out the door.

They live almost a mile and a half away from us, so the dogs went quite a long way (IMO) in order to get here......they probably just stumbled across the birds and did what dogs do. It was very upsetting, but part of owning poultry is having predator losses. I don't think I have any lasting hard feelings toward him, after all, I used to have a dog that was an escape artist who killed quite a few of our chickens.....and I know how frustrating it can be to think that you've found a way to contain the dog only have it get out within minutes. If it becomes a serial problem.......well......my feelings will probably change.
So glad things seem to be going smoothly with getting this resolved. We have never had any dogs get into our run and hurt our chickens, but something worse - bored teenage boys. In the end a relative came to visit me with information that led to the police finding out who had taken our birds, beheading one of them and throwing others out of the windows of their car while driving, but it took months to get resolved before several of them were charged with animal cruelty, among other things. Like you said, hopefully this is a one time event.
 
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I really hope they pay without issue. Every time someone downplays chicken losses, and we hear about so many on BYC everyday that it's easy to get desensitized to it, I think about it happening to me. After all the work you put in... I mean, I know some of the old-timers brush it off as part of chicken-keeping and though it's true (and I've worked really hard to be callous like that too) that position does little to diminish the void when all that work (at the very least) is gone. It just can't. Speak then of emotional attachment, the human element, the bond that some of us project towards other creatures. It's just not good. Accidents happen, sure. And then there are those who don't think - and they should (I'm a firm believer that everyone should use their brains). Whatever, live and learn hopefully, right? On their end? I see the merit in the 3x the charges bit, when you factor in the time, the money, the work, etc. on top the animals one may have had an emotional attachment to. I like that it's there if you need it. Not that money is a replacement for love, but you know...

I'd like to know how that works out and the formula you chose to go with. I hear dogs barking up both streets on either side of us every day. It's just a matter of time.


So I found this article now - looks like someone's trying to fix that other less than savory article. I'm not sure about the whole 'hipster' thing, not sure I'm sophisticated enough to know any.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/20...-the-truth-behind-abandoned-backyard-chickens
The first article seemed quite silly in my opinion. I worked for the Humane Society of West Michigan for over 3 years and saw chickens brought in once that whole time. Maybe in Michigan, if we don't want to keep our chickens anymore, we do the sensible thing and eat them?
 
The first article seemed quite silly in my opinion. I worked for the Humane Society of West Michigan for over 3 years and saw chickens brought in once that whole time. Maybe in Michigan, if we don't want to keep our chickens anymore, we do the sensible thing and eat them?

it is so nice to see practicality isn't entirely gone from the planet
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