Michigan Thread - all are welcome!

[snowflake]

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DH got the cream separator cleaned up and painted this weekend. Have the base left to knish at it will be ready for a test drive!

very nice! hope it works well for you,



LOVE goats milk soap, lavender is one of my favorites It is all I use on my face, lasts a long time but real goats milk soap can be hard to find. please bring some to CS

 

[uchytil]

Well. She made it through the night. Doesn't seem any better. Doesn't seem any worse. Will pick up some Tylan this morn.

Yea.,she is a very pretty girl. Her daddy is an EE, mama BCM. She got all her coloring from the BCM, body, comb & wattles from the EE. Was so excited that one of the pullets Maia hatched was an OE (the other 2 OE were boys)...other 2 pullets are EE...& seem fine.

You'll probably be off and running...but, I use a 22 by 1 inch needle. The Tylan 50 I have is earmarked for respiratory issues in swine and cattle, however, if you search this site for "treating poultry with Tylan 50" you'll find dosing ideas. I used it once in a duck that had been attacked and had her head nearly ripped off. After the normal 1st aid I gave her an intramuscular shot in the breast. I alternated the shots for 5 days switching sides. More of a preventative booster to her immune system. The chickens that I have had exhibiting what you see probably had Marek's. I posted about two weeks ago about a banty I had that did just the same thing. We brought her in and she ate, pooped fine, and when I thought all was well she expired. No one on the site had any advise, or comments. Ha!

I hope she pulls though.

 

[uchytil]

Seems like there's a lot you can do with goat's milk. There was a lady selling goat soap at the Muskegon Farmer's Market but it seemed pricey. My goat milk will have two purposes. Cheese and pig food. I like goat cheese. There's a mess of recipes for it. Any by-products of making cheese can be added to pig slop for a boost.

Here's a neat one: Take a chicken breast and halve. Pull the skin back but do not remove. Place a couple 1/2 inch slices of goat cheese, 3 slices of sun-dried tomatoes, and a large basil leaf on the breast meat. Pull the skin back over this filling as a protective cover. Rub outside with olive oil. Salt and pepper the outside. Bake @375degF for 30-40 minutes. Note: I think an herbed cheese is best. The goat cheese gives this a signature taste.

Bon appetite!

 

[SillyChicken]

If you're ever unsure of the size needle to use, the needle boxes usually say for cattle goat or poultry. I think TSC has a chart on the rack they sell the needles in. I've used it a few times. Smaller the gage needle the higher the number. So a 22 is smaller than a 18. Some medicines are also thicker than others. Vit B that I give my goats, I have to use a larger needle just to get it out of the bottle and into the goats. What ever length needle is available... you don't have to stick the needle all the way in either.

I like the luer cap that you can screw on. And if you have to give multiple shots to more than one animal, I usually stick one needle in the bottle and leave it there. Pull the solution from the bottle and then screw on a new needle to inject.

When injecting intramuscular, you want to make sure you aren't hitting a vein (this is the same technique if you need to hit a vein to pull blood) Insert the needle and then pull the plunger back lightly, If you are met with pressure and no blood, you are in muscle. If you get blood, pull the needle back slightly and push back in at a slight angle from the original spot and pull the plunger back again. If no blood, feel free to inject. Inject steady with intent, Don't force it too hard, but also don't be timid about it or go too slowly, you will increase the chances of your bird struggling and risk injury or breaking off needles etc. If this is your first time, have someone hold the bird for you. I also wrap my chickens in a towel to minimize struggle.

When injecting anti biotic etc, you want to inject in alternating muscle groups, breast, leg and thigh... I don't know why but that's what is suggested. Make sure you don't hit bone.


I have debated making soap.. I only have one goat that will freshen this year...so I have decided to do cheese. I ordered some cultures and cheese cloth for making it and the cream separator is almost ready! Now we just keep fingers crossed for a healthy birth and kids! (Just not so many of them this time)!

Once I get more milk .. you bet I'm going to try for soap! I love it! Thanks for the freezing tip, I will keep that in mind.

We all should just keep in mind how impersonal reading posts are and try not to take everything personal.... I've seen a lot of people who seem overly sensitive, over react to comments that were not intended to be hurtful or to chase people away. I know I come off as pushy and "know it all ish".. but I'm not trying to be. I'm just very direct.

 

[1muttsfan]

Needles are labeled with two numbers, such as 22g x 1"

The gauge is the diameter of the needle, and the larger the number the smaller the diameter - so a 22 gauge is smaller than an 18 gauge. Thicker liquids like Penicillin need a larger gauge needle than thin liquids like a vaccine.

The second number is the length - so, 5/8"(inch), 1", 1 1/2", etc.

For doses under 1 cc, a 1 or 3 cc syringe will work, for over 0.5 cc I would recommend a 3 cc syringe (easier to hold)

For small (under 1 cc) doses of thin liquids, a 22, 23 or 25 (if under 0.5 cc)g needle would work. For thicker liquids, a 22 or 18g would be better.

You would rarely need longer than a 1" needle for birds.

CC and ML are the same amount - cc means cubic centimeter, and an ml (milliliter) is a cubic centimeter.

 

[preciouskitty]

All.
Thank you for all the injection education!
I did see a John's post on the 22 x 1 while I was at TSC. Wasn't sure on syringe size so I got some 3 & 6cc.

Now for the dosing...unfortunately the chart birdman55 gave a link for cuts off before the dosing...so still researching how much to give her (once I weigh her).

Luckily DH is home & can do the first IM...he knows how to do this stuff...

Have her sitting on the ottoman again..but now I can't even get her to eat...

To be honest I'm really struggling with maybe just culling her (well having him do it..) vs. meds. But, other than the whole not being able to do anything but flop..she doesn't seem to be in any pain..
I don't want her to suffer & just want to do the right thing for her (vs. for me).


Oh. I'm with SillyChicken & others here that have mentioned that we shouldn't take anything personally when reading posts. That can be the problem with reading stuff..sometimes it may come off in a way not intended...plus, everyone here rocks & always does their best to try & give advice based on their experience...or simply just provide support. I've learned when I have questions, sometimes it takes more than one post..

 

[Maah]

For those looking for goat milk soap... (& don't want to wait until we convince someone to bring it to chickenstock lol). You can try here:
http://www.kinderhavenfarm.com/index.html

I've used her soap before & liked it. She is an old family friend that I remember while growing up... her kids were just a little younger than I am. I haven't seen her in a long time... maybe once in the past 10 years ... (my mom's retirement party? I think?), but I know she must still be a kind hearted soul. When I went off to college & couldn't take my dog "Pepper" (blue heeler mix) with me, she took her in & Pepper became part of their farm & family. I had gone for a visit later & Pepper was much older (& much "chunkier" than I remember, LOL)... & obviously well loved.

She had given my husband & I some of her homemade goat milk soap as a wedding gift "back in the day". The Oatmeal, Milk, & Honey was my favorite of it and looks like she still makes it. Back then I think she only did the soap... but looking at her website now I see she's expanded into a wide world of nice looking products.

Give it a shot if you'd like, just thought I'd throw it out there.

Also, if you want a special flavor (ie: vanilla only)... just shoot her an email, she might just do it.

 

[Maah]

Rainbow Hatchery in Reed City?

Does anybody have any information or experience with them? Good, bad, decent, crazies, amazing, ... what?

 

[uchytil]

Good feedback! I've learned a lot on here over the years. One other thing I do; Since I keep my meds refrigerated I like to warm up the injection prior to. I usually draw and put the cover on the needle. I place the syringes in my shirt pocket for a few minutes to warm them. Not very scientific but what I do.

Does anyone do their own fecal exams with a microscope? Just curious, and if so, would be interested in sharing insights.

 

[preciouskitty]

Good feedback!  I've learned a lot on here over the years.  One other thing I do;  Since I keep my meds refrigerated I like to warm up the injection prior to.  I usually draw and put the cover on the needle.  I place the syringes in my shirt pocket for a few minutes to warm them.  Not very scientific but what I do.  

So, should I put the Tylan in the fridge? Bottle says to just keep it somewhere under 77 degrees.

Just gave her her first shot. From all my research, looks like I dose her again in 48 hours...
And, just got her to eat...