Michigan

[babigyrl22]

Usually, on an infertile egg the blastoderm spot will be much smaller and there will not be that darkened ring around it. I do believe Babygirl's egg is fertile, it's just not to the bullseye stage of development yet. The darkened ring and dark spot in the middle of the blastoderm are what I'm looking at as indication as well as the size of the blastoderm itself. Maybe the pictures are deceiving though.

Here's a thread with some very good fertile egg pics for reference.

Oooo Thanks Olive! Yes, it was really hard to get a good picture. It was noticably different from the other eggs, which made me wonder if it was fertile. I'm not running to throw eggs in the incubator (yet) but I may in a couple of weeks when I have more eggs to put in with them. He hatched from such a dark chocolate egg, I am curious to see what his offspring will lay (colorwise). I compared my egg pics tot he one in the post and I do think it was fertile too. Very exciting.

(yeah he's still with me, the buyer who wanted him had a horrible family emergency the day he was going to pick him up...so he's still here crowing away...at the dogs, at other birds, at people....protecting THE LADIES (in my barry white voice)...hahaha)

Funny thing...my new neighbors commented about Big Boy being "mean" to the girls. When I told them that he was really trying to mate with them they just howled in laughter. I wish all my neighbors were like them. They totally get a kick out of him.

 

[M.sue]

Home for a bit than back to work. Gonna go give the girls a treat, collect any eggs and then try to fold some never ending laundry before I head back to work.


Green Question about infertile/fertile eggs. OK if an egg is fertile how long does it take for the Bullseye to appear. I have had eggs that look like the posted one and I have had eggs were a bullseye looks to appear more prominent & visible to the eye. The ones that actually have a visible bullseye....Is that due to being sat on, the warmth causing development? I'm assuming it is...duhhh of course it is but how long does it continue after once you collect the egg? I collect 2-3 times a day and refrigerate immediately.
I hope this makes sense.

 

[RaZ]

Looks like the motherboard is fried on my new laptop and it has to go back to the factory. It will take 4 to 5 weeks, they said.

Every bit of my homework for 2 classes is on that machine. They are going to try to recover the data before it goes out but I'm not very optimistic.

On an up note, Gravy laid a little blue egg today. First egg from her since the hawk attack last month. Maybe those Uggos triggered a maternal instinct.

 

[M.sue]

I think I've answered this one by myself....correct me if I'm wrong. Although I collect my eggs & refrigerate promptly.....The eggs that I've gotten which have had a prominent bullseye are the ones that I've collected later in the day, hence those being sat on longer than the ones I collected first thing in the morning! I think I'm going to Rocket - School to be a scientist!! lol

 

[Olive Hill]

Home for a bit than back to work. Gonna go give the girls a treat, collect any eggs and then try to fold some never ending laundry before I head back to work.


Green Question about infertile/fertile eggs. OK if an egg is fertile how long does it take for the Bullseye to appear. I have had eggs that look like the posted one and I have had eggs were a bullseye looks to appear more prominent & visible to the eye. The ones that actually have a visible bullseye....Is that due to being sat on, the warmth causing development? I'm assuming it is...duhhh of course it is but how long does it continue after once you collect the egg? I collect 2-3 times a day and refrigerate immediately.
I hope this makes sense.

No, actually it's not. The blastoderm is formed before the egg is ever laid. The dark areas are actually caused by the cells dying off. You can leave the eggs on your counter and, unless your home is a balmy 100 degrees, you will not have chicks developing in your fertilized eggs. We do not refrigerate any of the eggs we use for our family.

 

[M.sue]

No, actually it's not. The blastoderm is formed before the egg is ever laid. The dark areas are actually caused by the cells dying off. You can leave the eggs on your counter and, unless your home is a balmy 100 degrees, you will not have chicks developing in your fertilized eggs. We do not refrigerate any of the eggs we use for our family.

OK.....The Bubble Burst......So I won't being to going to Rocket School

.......lol.......THANK YOU for being so helpful and sharing your knowledge as always. It's greatly appreciated!

 

[Olive Hill]

OK.....The Bubble Burst......So I won't being to going to Rocket School

.......lol.......THANK YOU for being so helpful and sharing your knowledge as always. It's greatly appreciated!

LOL! I didn't mean to burst your bubble. Hey, who knows about rockets maybe their bulls eyes are from being sat on by hens all day. You should go for it!

 

[sj3364]

Olive, you're funny!

Okay, I'm going to do it. I don't want to but it has to be done. I'm posting my BPR roo on craigslist but I'll ask here first.

He's about 9 months old, not human aggressive, vigilant protector, sweet to his girls, and very handsome but not SQ. I would love to give him to someone I trust to give him a good home with a flock of his own to manage. I'm in West Michigan and would be willing to travel a reasonable distance (UP, you guys are out!) to find him a good home. PM me if you are interested.

 

[Stacykins]

FINALLY! Some good news/justice! Not as much prison time as one could have hoped, but still, better than nothing

Teens Get Prison For Cattle Torture

MENOMINEE - Two Escanaba teens will spend the next two to four years in prison for torturing three beef cattle last summer. The judge handed down the order Monday, going above and beyond the sentencing guidelines for each defendant.
Nicholas Michael Leisner, 18, and Peter John Sauve, 17, each pleaded guilty to three counts of torturing/killing an animal for beating three purebred Angus cattle on the Gary and Tammy Niarhos farm on July 17.
A third co-defendant, Chad Meier Jr., 17, of Escanaba, pleaded not guilty to the same three charges. He is scheduled for a hearing in circuit court next week where he will either enter a plea or schedule a trial.
During Leisner's and Sauve's sentencings in Menominee County Circuit Court on Monday, Judge Mary Barglund sentenced each to serve two to four years in prison. Barglund deviated from the legislative sentencing guidelines which would have been a maximum 12 months in jail. The prosecution was recommending 24 months imprisonment.
Barglund explained the court cannot deviate from sentencing guidelines unless there's substantial and compelling reasons to rule beyond the legislative recommendations.
"This is a situation where the court can and should exceed the guidelines," the judge said prior to sentencing Leisner, the first to appear in court on Monday.
Barglund's reasons for going beyond the guidelines included the premeditation involved when the two defendants grabbed weapons including a shovel and a knife as they headed out to the cattle farm next door. Knives, a shovel, a three-foot pipe and a long metal bar with a pointed tip were "used to completely annihilate these innocent creatures," Barglund said.
She added that the incident took a considerable amount of time and any one of the three could have ended the cruelty, but did not. The animals suffered numerous wounds and were left to die, she said.
Two of the purebred Angus cattle were pregnant heifers which had to be euthanized because of their injuries. The third animal, a bull, recovered from the beating but will never be able to be used for breeding.
"These are living, breathing, feeling creatures," Barglund added.
The judge then explained the court's goals in sentencing - to punish the offenders, rehabilitate them, protect society from them, and deter the offenders and others from further criminal acts.
"The court is compelled to deviate from the guidelines," Barglund stated. She then ordered the two-to-four-year sentence on Leisner.
In addition to the prison term, Leisner was ordered to pay $15,000 restitution to the Niarhos's insurance company and more than $400 in fines and costs. The judge also ordered him to never own or possess any pets ever. Suave received the same punishments, including joint restitution to the insurance company.
Both defense attorneys disagreed with the judge deviating from the sentencing guidelines, which will send Leisner and Sauve to prison.
Leisner's attorney Geoffrey Sparks said, "This was a horrible thing that took place. There's no denying it. But it is not grounds to depart from the guidelines, which would be a county (jail) sentence."
The two attorneys said their clients should not have been considered "leaders" in the sentencing guideline scoring.
Sparks told the court that Meier was the leader in the incident. The three were at Meier's camp, next door to the Niarhos farm, and Meier had previous problems with the farmer, according to the sheriff's investigation, the lawyer said.
"If it were not for Chad Meier, we wouldn't be sitting here today," Sparks commented.
Judge Barglund said all three played a significant role in the act of violence.
"I think this is a situation where each of them led the other ... in multiple varying ways. The three of them clearly contributed to this," said Barglund.
During her statements prior to sentencing Suave, the judge stated, "Nobody denies this was an activity the three of you decided to do together ... this heinous crime."
Barglund added in all her years in court, she has never seen anyone sink to this level of depravity for living creatures.
Sauve's attorney John Economopoulos said severe intoxication played a role in his client's judgment the night of the incident. The attorney added consumption of alcohol is not an excuse for Sauve's actions.
"The Niarhos family did not ask for this. They did not deserve this," Economopoulos said.
Menominee County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Hass said the judge's sentencings are justified because of the "horrific nature" of the criminal acts committed.
"I don't believe the legislators contemplated this kind of mutilation," Hass said, citing the Niarhos family's loss of the two heifers and their calves and the suffering which the three animals endured.
"I had a hard time looking at these photographs. The animals suffered more than they had to," Hass commented.
The bull suffered a broken jaw, a broken backbone, welts, and approximately 20 knife wounds. One heifer suffered with its internal organs hanging outside its body. The other heifer's body was also punctured and manure was coming out from the wound.
Hass added Niarhos also lost the unborn calves and future calves.
"He lost years of productivity because of this violent, vicious act by these individuals," the prosecutor said.

HOW ANYONE COULD HAVE DONE THAT TO AN ANIMAL IS BEYOND ME!

 

[Olive Hill]

IMNTBCHO, cases of brutal animal abuse that include seeking out an animal to torture like this should have much stricter sentencing guidelines to begin with. It is one of the most consistent indicators of future human-to-human brutality there is. It is highly likely, regardless how much time these boys spend on the inside, they will strike again and next time it won't be an animal. If anything putting them in for a few years now will only harden them and they will be more dangerous later. Death row would be a more appropriate place for them.