Mill Fleur Colored American Games

[centrarchid]

Parents are full siblings and same pair produced both chicks. Less than 1/8 show coloration of interest. Gray likely hiding half.


Dam. Color pattern looks a little like wheaton, but recessive and down coloration is best described as butterscotch (chick still drying like mother). Older pullet in lower left. Chick to right is a gray with black tail.

Wet.

Sire in full bullstag feather. He is het for silver / grey. Allele making for almost solid color pattern same as that making dam reddish all over. I think it is the same allele making for brown-breasted brown red. My brown-breasted brown red looks a lot different than those produced by cackle. I am pretty sure the allele also important in making redquill pattern when interacting with either dark brown or extended black.

I have better images of dam but having trouble finding them. Likely on old computer.

 

[centrarchid]

Images below taken from linked thread.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/molting-as-growing-up.1325544/#post-21622635

It has been 30 years since I had actual wheaton colored games, but to my memory wheaton chicks to do look like the top chick which is the dam.

As pretty much in full feather and almost filled out.

 

[centrarchid]

This pullet also a full-sibling of the mill fleur sisters. Her feathering is now showing less barring in wings, but the dark semicircles are still prominent on back. Since all red/brown turned to silver, the tricolored look is not evident. In part owing to low frequency of her pattern in gray, I think she is the gray version of mill fleur where only a single copy of silver allele on Z-chromosome hides what I am looking for. Another sister has the base coloration and the dark part of halfmoons, but no white tips.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

This pullet also a full-sibling of the mill fleur sisters. Her feathering is now showing less barring in wings, but the dark semicircles are still prominent on back. Since all red/brown turned to silver, the tricolored look is not evident. In part owing to low frequency of her pattern in gray, I think she is the gray version of mill fleur where only a single copy of silver allele on Z-chromosome hides what I am looking for. Another sister has the base coloration and the dark part of halfmoons, but no white tips.

Oh pretty. If she had that coloring all around, she would look like one of my girls did

 

[centrarchid]

Oh pretty. If she had that coloring all around, she would look like one of my girls did

As shown she is transitioning inter her second feather set. Photograph a month old or better. Currently she looks like the mill fleur version in terms of pattern except tail closer to black, no longer bars on wings, and the half-moon spots are more numerous. I will photograph her closer tomorrow.

 

[centrarchid]

Post pics of the parents some time. I'd be interested in seeing them.

It appears information provided not considered of value. Matings will be arranged in coming months to increase occurrence of mill fleur color pattern. With pairings like to produce what is desired, I may promote breeding over winter to speed things along.

 

[sdm111]

Looks like some spangling to me centra nothing more or less

 

[centrarchid]

Looks like some spangling to me centra nothing more or less

Let me post a closeup of pattern on individual feathers. It differs markedly from spangled games I have seen.

 

[The Moonshiner]

The information is valued and the project is fascinating for me.
I think some info is gonna be lost in translation. Games and game folk are a whole different breed then the rest of the poultry world.
You'll have some different terms for patterns then I do. I'm with you though on them being a mille fleur type pattern. They are not regular Spangled.
Should be an easy pattern to work with with what you've got and will get with a few more breeding.
Then you can focus on improving the overall pattern to get more balance with the white.
I'm excited to see where this goes. MF is a beautiful pattern and would make some stunning looking games.
I believe pattern is of little concern with games, right?
But I'm a pattern/genes freak so I'll be following.

 

[centrarchid]

The information is valued and the project is fascinating for me.
I think some info is gonna be lost in translation. Games and game folk are a whole different breed then the rest of the poultry world.
You'll have some different terms for patterns then I do. I'm with you though on them being a mille fleur type pattern. They are not regular Spangled.
Should be an easy pattern to work with with what you've got and will get with a few more breeding.
Then you can focus on improving the overall pattern to get more balance with the white.
I'm excited to see where this goes. MF is a beautiful pattern and would make some stunning looking games.
I believe pattern is of little concern with games, right?
But I'm a pattern/genes freak so I'll be following.

Game folks I can speak for, by statement, do not value coloration. Based on reality, it is hard not to invoke coloration even by those that say it is not important.

I am very much OK with setting aside this mill fleur game project and no longer calling them games in the strictest since, even though they are wholly derived from such.


I did some rapid surfing and say that mill fleur is best distinguished from spangled by the base pattern of the latter being duckwing. The base pattern I am messing is not duckwing. Also need to consider the individual patterns where the mill fleur versus spangled plays out. I need some spangled birds for comparison. Some spangled birds have small amounts of the mill fleur pattern mixed in to the overall pattern, but only in small amounts and only in some birds.