Mille Cochin Info

Back to the Basics on ChickenColours.com.. Under Complex Colors:

"An important melanizer to do just that(shift pigment), and thereby influencing patterns, is "Melanotic" Ml. Melanotic is dominant, especially for the females, and is able to make "extended black" and "birchen" based animals full black. It enhances and shifts black pigment to the edges of the feather. A typical effect is halfmoon spangling on the tips of the feather. Pattern gene Pg arranges black pigment, eg the stippling, in concentric lines. Pg alone leaves the feather rim (outerlace) groundcolored. (maybe what the mother hen was) The black breast of the rooster can become groundcolor tipped by this effect. This is concentric pencilling or multiple lacing (Pg). Combined with Ml the concentric lines become broader and shift towards the edge of the feather, making the outer rim black: double laced (Pg+Ml). Roosters become quite dark by the action of Ml. By adding Columbian Co the inner laces are removed and you get single lacing (Pg+Ml+Co). When you add Darkbrown Db to concentric pencilling then the pencilling becomes transverse: autosomal barring (Db+Pg). Given enough black this will be true barring like in the Campine breed, else the bars are "pinched" at the edges and nerve giving a wheatear type pattern, quill. Adding Melanotic Ml will render complete spangling at the tip of the feather as in the Hamburgh breed: spangled (Db+Pg+Ml)."

hmmm.. basics, I think not. Anyway, I have been confusing some color genes with pattern genes and confusing how they interact with eachother. I think I'll have to stick with my "common sense" breeding method for now and try to study up when I can. I re-read the same things over and over and after a few times, things start to sink in a bit.

I know mottling is a color inhibitor but thought it was also a melanizer as it added the black band.
 
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I think the line between the melanizers and pattern genes is so very thin, no wonder its taken the experts years to figure them all out! And how they define the distribution and "shifting" of the color, and the pattern of the color, is mind-boggling. And with the hundreds of different combinations, they are constantly finding new "influences" or "interactions" between all the genes.
And now I'm reading about the Hackle Black (Hb) theory, which also may/may not contribute.

I think if you sat them all down in a room, and asked each to create the perfect Mille Fluer, you'd end up with 3 different genetic codes!!

At this point in time, with so many ingredients already thrown into the pot, "Common Sense" makes the most sense to me. I think that actually means breeding for the phenotype (appearance), rather than the genotype (genetic code).
 
Rosemary, very very pretty.. lovin your boy. I cannot wait for beautiful pics of foraging cochins on a green background.

Coopa, to top it all off... you ever look at mille d'uccles and see how they all differ from one another? Each line is unique. Mille fleur is said to be the most difficult breed to perfect. Not only do we need to focus on type and color but, also a complex pattern filled with inhibitors, melanizers and blah blah blah. Here's to 2010 and may we all take one step further... Cheers!
 
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Our summer season is short, Erin, but it is *glorious*...can't tear us off this mountain when it is green.

You two, Gail, Erin, are driving me nuts with all your genetic parleying. I am trying to learn from you both, but I just get to feeling like I know something and then you say, "Well, *but*, then there's this other theory/possibility"...and complicate everything again!
 
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Our summer season is short, Erin, but it is *glorious*...can't tear us off this mountain when it is green.

You two, Gail, Erin, are driving me nuts with all your genetic parleying. I am trying to learn from you both, but I just get to feeling like I know something and then you say, "Well, *but*, then there's this other theory/possibility"...and complicate everything again!

"Our summer season is short, Erin, but it is *glorious*...can't tear us off this mountain when it is green."
>>>Rosemary's right - if any of you have missed our glorious Colorado summers, you have truly missed something beautiful. But "Springtime in the Rockies" - we just affectionately call it "Mud Season"!!

"You two, Gail, Erin, are driving me nuts with all your genetic parleying. I am trying to learn from you both, but I just get to feeling like I know something and then you say, "Well, *but*, then there's this other theory/possibility"...and complicate everything again!"
>>>We aim to please!!! No sense in us hogging all the fun and frustration!!! No pain . . . No gain!!!
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I've been slicing and dicing pics all afternoon, so that I could show the feather progression of my chicks:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=40221-mille-fleur-cochins-project

Even though she layed the eggs within 6 days of each other, they hatched 10 days apart, because I put the first ones in the incubator, and let her brood the others. So I can't do exact weekly pics of all 4.

And so far, I'm still sticking with my original thought after the feather-sexing, that the first 3 are females, and the last is a male.

Luna, the first chick, is closest in appearance to the one Erin has been writing about. I'm anxious to take pics of Luna and Bandit tomorrow at 3 weeks - I'm starting to see spots of white on both!! Yea!!
 
Guys,
Check out my new website... there are a few pics of my mille's on there. There are pics from the breeders I had two years ago but lost to predators. The site is new and under construction. It was a fun project that my daughter and I were foolin around with. Let me know what you think!
Go to the "about" page to see the ones I lost.... If anyone knew the lady in Tn who had these, let me know her name. She was in Lake City I believe?

Berea Bantams

http://home.rr.com/dday911
 
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