Mille Cochin Info

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Thanks, that is a good explaination. I have 7 roos to sort thru.
- Back length is most important?
- Wing carrage and comb size next?

I would not say that back length is most important. I just use it as a guide to go by when they are youngsters. If tehy have a long back then I seldom even consider them anymore. In my experience they do not turn out to be something that will give me good enough type to keep breeding on. My pullets I allow more for because my shortest backed girls, which are usually my more rooish girls as far as color, too, will be the least likely to lay well for me. But I seldom sell those girls, waiting for eggs instead and feeding them. Though from my bit of record keeping they are not giving me much better stock than the decent girls I use with an exceptional roo.

I prefer very good wing carriage as I think they will pass on bad wings but usually if you have good type, you will have good wing carriage. Good conformation brings the whole bird together well.

I worry about combs last. I am sure there are birds out there with combs that you do not want to pass on but overall I bet that bird has a lot of other faults you have no reason to breed for either. Granted, I do not see many exceptional birds because I do not attend many shows but I visit other poultry farms and talk to breeders of many different breeds since I have an interest in learning all I can about breeding programs. It helps me to understand what can work and what might not. I have not seen a really great bird with a horrid comb but I am sure others might have. So for me, I worry about combs last.

Now feet, that is a concern! Color, toenails, feathers etc. That can make me frustrated when looking over breeding stock.

I really appreciate you input! Seems to me like good wing carrage really make a difference in the over all look of a bird.
How long does it take for type to mature in a roo? Seems that the fullness in pullets/hens take a year in my modest experience.
 
So - trying to pair everyone up for spring!

I have a new roo and trying to decide if I'm going to use him.

I think he's really nice for type and color is pretty nice, great leg feathering, nice round ball; nice, straight comb, etc.

BUT (there's always a but!)
He has a sprig on either side of his comb.


So - I need to post pics, but I think he's lovely in many ways.
I was thinking of double mating him (I think that's the term - 1 roo, 1 hen) and raising a couple sets to see what he's throwing AND cull any sprigs. If the sprigs are pervasive, I'll cull the roo.



Sooooo - would you go for this bird or would you stay far, far away from sprigs??


Also - what is the deal with missing toenails?
Then hen I received with this roo, who is pretty cute herself, has no toenails on her outside toes.
How heritable is this?? Cull? I've never seen this before...
 
Thanks, Amy!
I missed your eBay auction for your MFs... Will you be having another one soon?

All of my older MFs are from Erin (Msbear). Byron is from Tom Roebuck's BC rooster, bred by Erin.
I like Milton, but he doesn't have enough good to outweigh the bad. I don't like his size, shape or the fact he has no chest flowers. He was my first cockerel from Erin, but Milroy has more going for him. More melanin, size, nice shape and much nicer foot feathering. I can't wait to see the babies I get from Byron.

The 9 bantam Cochins I have in the grow out pen are from Luckypickens. I am hoping I like one of the cockerels to take Milton's place (more of a calico w/ better chest pattern and size). I have more eggs coming from Rosalyn right after Christmas, so I can't wait to see what I get - hopefully more girls! I only got two pullets for sure this time. At 8 weeks, would the pullets be starting to get any pink in their wattles? Most of the boys are very obvious, but two of these guys keep me guessing - a MF and a BMF.
 
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I can see it around 4 months in my roos but 6 months is better and if I don't like them at 8 months they are certainly not staying but you have to remember that different bloodlines may mature at different rates. I am able to tell on mine at 6 weeks and from then on they are watched, just in case I have a late bloomer. But at 6 weeks I am checking the body to see if it has anything or not that I like.
I have one roo here that I find to be gorgeous in color! He is out of my Schmoozle and a nice Col/MF hen but his type is lacking. I have him with my best hens for him but their kids are not turning out so good so I have him up for sale. I would love to keep him but his type is just lacking and I do not have hens to help him achieve better than he is so I must cull. I knew it from the get go but was hoping he would bloom out better. This just shows me that I need to stick with what I know about my bloodlines.
 
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Right now I have a waiting list for my MFC eggs so I may not have any available til the middle of January, if they keep laying well.

At 8 weeks I do not ever see anything pink on my girls. They virtually have no wattles at all and their combs are small and tan colored. However, the boys are very obvious.
 
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What to do about sprigs? I'm not sure. Everything else would have to be really great for me to use them but I would be very guarded about it. Like I said, roos are a dime a dozen so to find a better one is not usually too difficult. I know you went to a lot of trouble to get this one to cross with yours but you can always see what he throws, like you said.

I have bred Cochins with no outside toenails many years ago with my whites and never gave it another thought. Looking back over the past 2 years crop of offspring they all have outside toenails now. I have no idea what happened or how I bred them to start with to get toenails back. I don't find it to be too serious. Others may disagree. I haven't really been paying attention to it long enough to know just how it may work out since my MF and Mottleds are better at having the outside toenails and I can breed one without to one with easily enough and the kids always come out with them.

I would love to see photos of your roo now.
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Here's my roo from another breeder- please tell me what you think...
He's done a TON of filling out.

The roo's tail is incompletel - his hen companion picks and eats feathers....it has slowed down a lot since I got them, but he's still working on growing in his tail!...








 
Here's the hen from the same breeder.

She has also filled out and grown a ton!
Her tail is nearly fully complete, too (was missing)







 

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