Thanks Coopa, I have been checking those pics out as well. They are terrific. I'm somewhat familiar with mille fleur, as I used to raise pyncheons and they hatched all different down colors. However, they're juvie pattern was close to mille and easy to tell how they would turn out. I'm finding with the projects, the juvie color is not as helpful. I supppose this is because we weren't fully there yet, but I have 50+ next generation growing out and was curious to see if any particular pattern in their juvie plumage would tell me I'm close. I was planning to grow them out, just to be sure but it would be great to know if we're going in the right direction sooner rather than later. I enjoy reading your thread and everyone's birds are coming along so nicely.