Mille Cochin Info

In talking about color, don;t worry overly much. White tipping is the best and you will have some red bleeding through on the neck. But don;t sacrifice the type for the color. If they are split to MF then no worries. that gene is there and it will come out once bred to another MF. A lot of folks don't understand that.
I prefer to pick my white tipped girls over my more solid black with the red bleeding through but I go with type first. Color and pattern are easy to achieve, type is much more difficult.

Below are two pullets I hatched out 6 months ago. Came from the same breeding pen. Fortunately, I like the type on the more white tipped pullet rather than the darker one. Bred back to my MF roos, I get yellow chicks most of the time and better white tipping on the MFs they produce. Even the chicks that hatch out looking Mottled will grow up to be extremely useful in the breeding pen because they carry the genes I need and help to keep the white tips that can be so hard to get on the MFs correctly. You have to understand the MF pattern to know that there can only be a certain amount of white on the tips of the feathers but that is getting way down the road in this breeding program and we still have such a long way to go.

Gosh, I digress! Okay, so you see these 2 girls. They are 6 months old in these photos. The one without much white won't get much more on her but the one with some white tipping can certainly get a lot more as she matures. Not a lot but some.





On the question you have about the blue and light tan, I would have to see but I do not breed blue into my program. I don't want it popping back up later when someone else has it hiding in their genes, too, and I breed them together. Light tan....maybe, depending on what the pattern looks like on the feathers but remember, we are shooting for vermillion. However, buff Columbians have been used in many programs so some soft coloring can come out.

Again, not sure if I helped.
 
We're probably going to have to see pictures, Mrs Hollywood!
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(I'm not just saying that because I love your pictures)
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I've found, to define correct "mille fleur" color, I spend a lot of time looking at other breeds that have this color. d'Uccles & Booted Bantams (I have a British book that has drop dead gorgeous pictures..) are the most common.
But I think in young chicks (how young are yours?) it might be hard to tell anyway.
OK I took a couple pictures tonight, and taking them of moving chicks wasn't as much fun as I thought it would be LOL!

After reading everyone's advice and wisdom I don't think I have a any Mille colored ones that are good, the mottled are better shaped.....

Oldest Mille Pair

Mottled Roo #1

Mottled Roo #2

Mottled Roo #3 & Small White/tan Roo

Mottled Roos

Tiny White Roo

Mottled Hen #1

Light Tan Pullet

Same Light Tan pullet

Small Pullet with alot of white

Large Pullet w/ minimal leg feather :-(

Small & Large "Blue/grey" coloring pullets
 
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That first picture ....
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Man your birds are pretty, Mrs Hollywood!
I think we have to expect that Mottled are going to be better shaped, don't we? Mottled is a stable color in Bantam Cochins, and there are some very nice, typey Mottleds..
Mille Fleur is a project, still very much in the "project" stage, is how I look at it. We're all working towards improvement, both in color and type.. I hope we never lose the calicos though!
 
I have one blue calico chick, and roo or pullet I'm keeping her. I think she is just So pretty..

Right now she kind of reminds me of a Porcelain?
 
I sure didn't mean to imply that I undervalue the importance of split mottled in a MF breeding program, quite the opposite! I was just trying to say that, for me personally, looking at other breeds helped me get a better grasp on what the mille fleur pattern is. For one thing, especially in Cochins, I get side-tracked by "PRETTY!"
 
Thank you for the compliment, I think they are pretty, but probably nothing that is close to SOP and more Calico than Mille.

I know that breeders talk about the color being the easy part and the shape is what to work towards. I just wish I could see a picture of a cochin that has the correct markings even tho the shape is not great. Maybe I have missed it, but would love to see one!
 
Thank you for the compliment, I think they are pretty, but probably nothing that is close to SOP and more Calico than Mille.

I know that breeders talk about the color being the easy part and the shape is what to work towards. I just wish I could see a picture of a cochin that has the correct markings even tho the shape is not great. Maybe I have missed it, but would love to see one!

How about this one? I think she has good color and type. ?



 
This is as close as I have gotten, so far. Still have a lot of work to do on pattern but it doesn't bother me so much. I will get there.



I use this girl as my inspiration. She is my lovely d'Uccle baby girl.


 
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Quote: You have a lot to work with!
Don't expect that MF coloring to showing up so soon. So many new breeders to this variety expect the babies to pop out looking like MF but they don't. Even the d'Uccles, that have been bred for well over 100 years are not hatched looking like MF and an awful lot of them do not grow up with that perfect pattern either.

You have some great starter birds there. Even the ones in the last photo are very useable! They are MF/Mot split, it appears. The bluing could be from the mixture but if you are seeing definite blue then I would sell them. However, many folks work with it in their program. I just choose not to.

And your mostly white colored ones probably wont stay that white. They will get a lot more red and maybe more black chevrons on them. I would not be so fast as to get rid of them. However, this is from someone who can't stop hatching and has 6 to 8 breeding pens with 6 or so birds in each one and a lot growing up.
 

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