Mille Cochin Info

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Hey girl~! Looking good. Love the pattern. I lost some of my pattern when I started concentrating on "type". But hopefully next year it will reappear.....These boys will be a great asset to your project. :)
 
Exactly, Mike. There are many different ways down the road to mille fleur. In the US, though, we are limited. Wheaten cochins, for example, are rather rare here. We (most on this thread) began this trip using what was available and that was buff columbian (which contains the wheaten gene) and mottled. After a few years of breeding, we realized that the columbian gene is working hard to restrict breast flowers from the MF females. Mike and I both tried adding partridge to see if this can correct it. And, it did.. right away. But, it also changed the base color of both sexes to a mahogany color rather than the rich buff we were used to. I still plan on using the partridge but am putting them back to the buff based birds to see how this helps... (all the while breeding the buff based together as well as to not set myself back). Around the world, cochins (or pekins) in mille fleur look very very different just like the belgian d'uccle does around the world. Mille Fleur is extremely complex and many agree it is the absolute toughest variety to get right. If you take a pair from one breeder of d'uccles (an established breeder and winner in the show ring) and you breed from that pair, you will continue to see success in the pattern. BUT, if you take another pair from a different show breeder and cross the two pairs, you may get a mess. That's because the genes used to make that pattern may be very different. So, whatever path you choose, it will be a very long time of hard culling to get it right.

Here's some examples in pekins around the world.

First we see how the columbian gene is working hard to restrict black on these birds. These are buff columbian based birds. I am not saying this is wrong. It CAN be improved upon... it's just one idea vs. another. I have basically two lines right now and my buff columbian based birds are looking better. I just have an ace up my sleeve if need be. I have the room and the ability to have multiple breeding pens so I can see for myself what works better.



I would say these guys are wheaten based by the black on the breast and the stippling in the female's wing feathers.



below is a french pullet. I don't really know what she's working with but, I'd sure like to. I expect eb (partridge) as her all over pattern is so striking. She is also a shade darker than our buff columbian or wheaten based hens.




Here's a fat boy from Whales. He is wheaten based as I read about him a bit.



a few fun links to mess with your mind
http://forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7999189

http://forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8013941&start=0

http://www.chickencolours.com/TollbuntWyanEng.pdf
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the second link was started with a question from me! I will have to look it over again ;-) Your explanation helps alot. I was wondering about the columbian inhibitors of black and now the partrige makes sense as a color mix.
And my ultimate goal is actually to make tolbunt, so it is interesting that you posted that link as well
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hahahah I figured it was someone possibly on this thread because I picked up a few things during conversation that sounded familiar. I think you can go pretty much either of the three directions (wheaten, partridge or duckwing) and get there. You will just have slightly different outcomes. I will probably keep partridge on the sideline to see what happens but, from what I have heard, wheaten makes the more crisp look ... eventually. And, columbian is still necessary to correct pattern. I am just unsure as to how it works. ... if it can be diluted or used with another pattern to not restrict the breast flowers. As you can see from the boys I got today, columbian is doing fine there.. though I have not seen any females yet with exceptional breast markings...

eta: yes, I have.. .right there in Lynne's avatar. I guess it just goes back to culling hard. When you get a girl like that, hang on to her and breed from her as much as possible.
 
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Erin, your new boys look pretty darn theft worthy! Would there be any chance I can buy a dozen or two hatching eggs from you next year at the June swap?
Also, I love it when you show up and lay some solid MF wisdom on us!

I am waiting for Bridgette, Millie and Mildred to start laying again. I trimmed them and Byron before putting them all in together, so fertility should be good. Sadly, they are now molting... If it isn't being broody, it's something else. I am really anxious to see how the babies come out from them! So much for not wintering chicks...
 
After a few days of cooler weather and a busy weekend winterizing my coop, today was a beautiful day! It was, in fact, a great day for taking photos
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Hope you guys don't mind a picture overload..

Every one of my adult hens are brooding in a tub together, and Ruby Rod, attentive hubby that he is, won't leave the coop without them. So, Brandon is the only adult who I got pictures of today! He's about 8 months



Some of the teenagers..
They're 4 months - hatched in May
Dinner

Prince calling the younger chicks over
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The preening line!
Oboe, beauty queen
Darcy
2 Headed Chicken!
Special. yes, she is.
This picture - just illustrates why I love my chickens. I was holding Gracie, just sitting on the porch enjoying the cool night. 4 of my Cochin pullets hopped up on the bench beside me just to see what we were up to! They hung out with us until Gracie was ready to go inside
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Some of the Cochin kids. I have quite a few.. Need to decide who to keep and who to sell. I'd appreciate any feedback
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Look away, look away!

Cochin chicks have such sweet expressions, don't they?




This is Kipper, the oldest of the Cochin kids (July & August hatches)






This is George, who I think I'm keeping.. Because, I didn't have enough roosters..
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And, more Cochin babies in the nursery!


and some in the brooder.. there aren't anymore in the incubator, though. But, I think the hens are brooding some of their own
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