mixing ameraucanas?

[Chris09]

Apparently there can never be any more varieties of Ameraucana than there are right now. Nobody has explained why this doesn't apply to other breeds though.

Sound like it to me.
But like we have said time and time again, what happens and said on BYC and what happens and said in the real world is two different things.

Chris

 

[Chris09]

This is such a difficult subject to tackle. What I think it boils down to is hatcheries are misrepresenting there birds, and people are ripping off other people. They are being lied to that there birds are "pure". Ameraucanas have a standard just like every other breed. The difference is, there is an outlet for birds that don't meet the standard. There is demand for different colors of eggs. There are people myself included that spend a lot of time, and energy breeding our birds to standard. There is also a AOV class at shows for these purposes. Breed whatever colors you want together, and stick them in the AOV class. The difference is if you breed an Ameraucana with a............Marans, that's an EE or OE whatever you want to call it. I have EE, and Ameraucanas. I love them both. I will tell you that all my EE are blue, black, splash, or silver laced. I do that on purpose for myself and anyone else who wants a non-leakage EE. Anyways, this could go on forever. I am not arguing, I can see the 360 degrees of the argument. Just giving some talking points. I have been known on the Ameraucana thread to tell people to stop being the EE police. It is very disconcerting to newbies. Who wants to breed a chicken that you can't figure out???

Quote: This holds true to all breeds not just the Ameraucanas and I don't see other breed clubs making up names for birds that don't meet there breed standard.

Chris

 

[OldChurchEggery1]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now if we want to get technical neither Blue or Blue Wheaten really breeds true.
Varieties like Black, Brown Red and White will breed true.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chris[/FONT]

Technically you are correct, but the standard is that they breed true at least 50% of the time, which Blue does: Blue x Blue = 25% black, 50% blue, 25% splash thereby gracing blue and blue wheaten with recognition. What I don't get is why Splash isn't accepted because Splash x Splash = 100% Splash, meeting the criteria of at least 50% true. It's only when you cross it to black that you get no cute splash chicks. Sigh.

There are a lot of people who cross varieties to improve quality rather than outcrossing to another breed. Silver is one such example, which is often crossed to black. The resulting chicks from the initial cross are called splits, just like lavender to black crossings.

 

[heatherscooby77]

This holds true to all breeds not just the Ameraucanas and I don't see other breed clubs making up names for birds that don't meet there breed standard.

Chris

I know what you are saying Chris. I don't think the Ameraucana Club wants this stigma around the breed. Its like any other hatchery stock chicken, they are about the number of eggs hatched, not the quality.

I got my first "Ameraucanas" from a hatchery. Then I learned that they where not the chicken I knew that I wanted. Luckily there are several breeders in my area. Over the years I have been able to make a pretty nice flock. I don't get mad at someone who thinks their EE are pure, I just want to educate them. The club had to come up with a way to designate the differences with EE and pure birds. For example I am trying to improve the lacing on blue AM's. I am using SLW for that. Some of the pullets could pass for an AM. I don't sell them that way, they are sold as EE, because they would not breed true 50% of the time. Its an ethics thing. That's way I hate it when people are sold EE, and told they are AM's. That is where the main problem lies.

 

[NYREDS]

Sound like it to me.
But like we have said time and time again, what happens and said on BYC and what happens and said in the real world is two different things.

Chris

Amen Brother!