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You're right, perhaps I over simplified the first reply. The ORIGINAL one is one of those ups, where did that come from deals. Aside from that, then it's years and years of select breeding to PERFECT that color mutation and establish a true breeding popluation of them.
As for the pheasant verses peafowl (spaulding) deal. You are dead on there. I dont like either to be honest. The spaulding crosses are what is deteriorating the current US population of Green peafowl. So many people have spualiding and either dont know what they have, or just want the better money for greens? But they are selling spauldings as GREEN peafowl calling them 1 of the 3 subspecies. I dont care how many generations you put back into them, once they are spualdings, they will always be just high percentage spauldings. Case in point here. I have a few spauldings, and every stinking one of them was an atempt to pass them off to me as Javas, Burmese, or Imerators. I have also seen numerous post over the years on here and other forums, of people posting pics of their Javas, when it's obvious they are spauldings, these are usually the ones who didnt know and were the recipients of those off birds. So I for one dont like it in either due to that.
I believe the reason most pheasant breeders dont like it with them is for several reasons.
1) Same as above with the peafowl
2) So many of them are on the Critical or Endangered species list, that it is solely detrimental to the survival of the species.
3) Peafowl only come in 4 species in captivity, so mutation and crosses to mutation are the only way to get more color patterns, yet in the pheasant world, there are loads of different species already available that are just gorgeous in the natural form, so why mess with it.
4) Unlike domestic poultry, they are in nature, a wild species (both accounts) and shouldnt be messed with genetically
5) once crossed, that bird or any of it prodigy will never be anything but a mutt, and it can never be taken back to it's true pure to breed form.
These are just what I believe is the rationalizations behind it. and Like I said, I really dont like it in either species.
But, If someone were to want to do it, it's totally up to them, however, please stay with the more readily available species like the ruffed, never do this to stuff like peacock pheasants, tragopans, eared, longtails, etc, they need or captive protection and care for their survival..
You're right, perhaps I over simplified the first reply. The ORIGINAL one is one of those ups, where did that come from deals. Aside from that, then it's years and years of select breeding to PERFECT that color mutation and establish a true breeding popluation of them.
As for the pheasant verses peafowl (spaulding) deal. You are dead on there. I dont like either to be honest. The spaulding crosses are what is deteriorating the current US population of Green peafowl. So many people have spualiding and either dont know what they have, or just want the better money for greens? But they are selling spauldings as GREEN peafowl calling them 1 of the 3 subspecies. I dont care how many generations you put back into them, once they are spualdings, they will always be just high percentage spauldings. Case in point here. I have a few spauldings, and every stinking one of them was an atempt to pass them off to me as Javas, Burmese, or Imerators. I have also seen numerous post over the years on here and other forums, of people posting pics of their Javas, when it's obvious they are spauldings, these are usually the ones who didnt know and were the recipients of those off birds. So I for one dont like it in either due to that.
I believe the reason most pheasant breeders dont like it with them is for several reasons.
1) Same as above with the peafowl
2) So many of them are on the Critical or Endangered species list, that it is solely detrimental to the survival of the species.
3) Peafowl only come in 4 species in captivity, so mutation and crosses to mutation are the only way to get more color patterns, yet in the pheasant world, there are loads of different species already available that are just gorgeous in the natural form, so why mess with it.
4) Unlike domestic poultry, they are in nature, a wild species (both accounts) and shouldnt be messed with genetically
5) once crossed, that bird or any of it prodigy will never be anything but a mutt, and it can never be taken back to it's true pure to breed form.
These are just what I believe is the rationalizations behind it. and Like I said, I really dont like it in either species.
But, If someone were to want to do it, it's totally up to them, however, please stay with the more readily available species like the ruffed, never do this to stuff like peacock pheasants, tragopans, eared, longtails, etc, they need or captive protection and care for their survival..
