MJ's little flock

[BY Bob]

I found the ingredients Loz. Looks like you've got the aerosol.

Maybe @BY Bob or @micstrachan can shed some light on withholding periods?

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I started doing this last night and feel like I have done this before. Perhaps when you sprayed Ivy @MaryJanet

Cetrimide is a skin antiseptic. It is most effective against gram positive bacteria like Staph. It is used in lip balm (Boots Lip and Cold Sore Relief) in the UK. I can't imagine that it could be toxic in any dose that would somehow find its way to the egg.

Diethyltoluamide is DEET. That is an insect repellent that is 2021 the US EPA Cconfirmed has no toxicity to humans even if ingested.

That leaves Di-N-propyl isocinchomeronate. This is another insect repellent. The US EPA has done no studies on its use in livestock and therefore into the food supply as it is no longer used here for livestock. It was used when first introduced in 1957 until 1993 on livestock for slaughter. I can find nothing on its use on chickens which are egg laying. It is however approved to apply directly to onto humans as a bug repellent and for use as a "dip" for companion animals, dogs and cats. It can also be applied directly to horses.

According to the US EPA there is no evidence of any cancer causing properties to this chemical.

In order for this chemical to be lethal, you need to ingest orally, in a single dose, 5,120 mg/kg. The average human globally weighs 62kg. That would mean a single orally ingested dose of 317,440 mg. This is spraying out at 30 mg/g. A container holds 100g of spray. If you sprayed the entire container into your mouth, I DO NOT recommend this, you would receive an exposure of 3,000 mg. Not even 1% of a lethal dose.

I simply cannot imagine there is anything near a toxic level of anything getting into an egg.

I believe the warning on the label stating to not use this on egg producing poultry is because their have been exactly 0 studies on if this shows up in eggs somehow. They have not done studies because they feel there is no risk but need to protect themselves legally just in case. My understanding is that like Blu-kote in the states, this is widely in use for poultry in Oz. I can't imagine that if there was a problem something would not have popped up by now.

Having said all of this, it is your decision to make @LozzyR . Please take the information I have gathered and make your own informed decision.

 

[LozzyR]

That's odd.

Im surprised a topical treatment can't be used on laying hens! Have you done an ingredients check?

No, but I can do one.

 

[LozzyR]

I found the ingredients Loz. Looks like you've got the aerosol.

Maybe @BY Bob or @micstrachan can shed some light on withholding periods?

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SHRA!

Tax:

 

[Ribh]

I take it there's no chicks, MJ? I'm so sorry.

 

[LozzyR]

I started doing this last night and feel like I have done this before. Perhaps when you sprayed Ivy @MaryJanet

Cetrimide is a skin antiseptic. It is most effective against gram positive bacteria like Staph. It is used in lip balm (Boots Lip and Cold Sore Relief) in the UK. I can't imagine that it could be toxic in any dose that would somehow find its way to the egg.

Diethyltoluamide is DEET. That is an insect repellent that is 2021 the US EPA Cconfirmed has no toxicity to humans even if ingested.

That leaves Di-N-propyl isocinchomeronate. This is another insect repellent. The US EPA has done no studies on its use in livestock and therefore into the food supply as it is no longer used here for livestock. It was used when first introduced in 1957 until 1993 on livestock for slaughter. I can find nothing on its use on chickens which are egg laying. It is however approved to apply directly to onto humans as a bug repellent and for use as a "dip" for companion animals, dogs and cats. It can also be applied directly to horses.

According to the US EPA there is no evidence of any cancer causing properties to this chemical.

In order for this chemical to be lethal, you need to ingest orally, in a single dose, 5,120 mg/kg. The average human globally weighs 62kg. That would mean a single orally ingested dose of 317,440 mg. This is spraying out at 30 mg/g. A container holds 100g of spray. If you sprayed the entire container into your mouth, I DO NOT recommend this, you would receive an exposure of 3,000 mg. Not even 1% of a lethal dose.

I simply cannot imagine there is anything near a toxic level of anything getting into an egg.

I believe the warning on the label stating to not use this on egg producing poultry is because their have been exactly 0 studies on if this shows up in eggs somehow. They have not done studies because they feel there is no risk but need to protect themselves legally just in case. My understanding is that like Blu-kote in the states, this is widely in use for poultry in Oz. I can't imagine that if there was a problem something would not have popped up by now.

Having said all of this, it is your decision to make @LozzyR . Please take the information I have gathered and make your own informed decision.

Thank you Bob. And I LOL’d at your “do not spray an entire container into your mouth” comment. Lucky you said that, I was about to check for myself!

 

[MaryJanet]

Thank you Bob. And I LOL’d at your “do not spray an entire container into your mouth” comment. Lucky you said that, I was about to check for myself!

mmmm purple breakfast!

 

[MaryJanet]

I take it there's no chicks, MJ? I'm so sorry.

I haven't checked yet today, but there were no signs last night when I looked under Ivy. I'm not expecting any peeps this morning, just holding on to the end to be 100% sure it's time to throw the eggs away.

 

[MaryJanet]

I started doing this last night and feel like I have done this before. Perhaps when you sprayed Ivy @MaryJanet

Cetrimide is a skin antiseptic. It is most effective against gram positive bacteria like Staph. It is used in lip balm (Boots Lip and Cold Sore Relief) in the UK. I can't imagine that it could be toxic in any dose that would somehow find its way to the egg.

Diethyltoluamide is DEET. That is an insect repellent that is 2021 the US EPA Cconfirmed has no toxicity to humans even if ingested.

That leaves Di-N-propyl isocinchomeronate. This is another insect repellent. The US EPA has done no studies on its use in livestock and therefore into the food supply as it is no longer used here for livestock. It was used when first introduced in 1957 until 1993 on livestock for slaughter. I can find nothing on its use on chickens which are egg laying. It is however approved to apply directly to onto humans as a bug repellent and for use as a "dip" for companion animals, dogs and cats. It can also be applied directly to horses.

According to the US EPA there is no evidence of any cancer causing properties to this chemical.

In order for this chemical to be lethal, you need to ingest orally, in a single dose, 5,120 mg/kg. The average human globally weighs 62kg. That would mean a single orally ingested dose of 317,440 mg. This is spraying out at 30 mg/g. A container holds 100g of spray. If you sprayed the entire container into your mouth, I DO NOT recommend this, you would receive an exposure of 3,000 mg. Not even 1% of a lethal dose.

I simply cannot imagine there is anything near a toxic level of anything getting into an egg.

I believe the warning on the label stating to not use this on egg producing poultry is because their have been exactly 0 studies on if this shows up in eggs somehow. They have not done studies because they feel there is no risk but need to protect themselves legally just in case. My understanding is that like Blu-kote in the states, this is widely in use for poultry in Oz. I can't imagine that if there was a problem something would not have popped up by now.

Having said all of this, it is your decision to make @LozzyR . Please take the information I have gathered and make your own informed decision.

It rang a bell for me too but when I ran a search over the thread for DEET only the most recent posts came up.

 

[BY Bob]

Thank you Bob. And I LOL’d at your “do not spray an entire container into your mouth” comment. Lucky you said that, I was about to check for myself!

It is the scientist in me. I feel like I need to give extra guidance on some things.

 

[BY Bob]

It rang a bell for me too but when I ran a search over the thread for DEET only the most recent posts came up.

Maybe on @Ribh thread. Who knows. Somebody bookmark this for me so I don't do it again.