MJ's little flock

[BY Bob]

Maybe he would be open to reading about the science?

Journal articles can be found but it is usually a care guideline that he is following. I will gladly supply articles if requested.

 

[Aussie-Chookmum]

Go on. Push me out to the fringes of chicken keeping.
It will be I shouldn't even be on the site next, because I'm not a proper backyard chicken keeper.
Can you beleive someone actually said that to me and the person was/is well known.

So you were being discriminated against for the size of your backyard, or lack thereof. Your house can’t have a backyard I suppose. Only a front yard and a top yard.

That person sounds like a Backyard Bigot.

 

[featherhead007]

Like Coos!

My point exactly !!

 

[BY Bob]

That's probably due to food safety regulations. If he's caught out telling clients they can eat eggs after a fortnight when the regs say "don't say that" he'll be fined.

Exactly! You are likely not allowed to sell or provide eggs (or meat) from chickens that have received antibiotics, ever. This would be a food guidelines not a veterinary one. I believe the same is true in the United States. It's "popular science".

So to be more charitable to Dr. Mark, not a hole in his knowledge.

Chicken tax

 

[MaryJanet]

Let me say again, it is your choice. I have no dog in this fight. I am just sad to find the hole in Dr. Mark's greatness.

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I do have a soapbox though. Sadly it seems to be a pervasive point of view. Remember though, its not really his fault. He is not a microbiologist. Just like a surgeon is not an infectious disease physician.

We have swung hard on the antibiotic pendulum and NEVER EAT AGAIN or DO NOT USE in FOOD ANIMALS is the extreme we current sit at. This is why @Kris5902 can't even get any in Canada anymore. At least Dr. Mark will use them. There are vets who will not use antibiotics in food animals.

It winds up being the animals who suffer in the end.

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Like I said, i think he's being professional and abiding by regulations that aim to protect the health of every Australian.

Such regs might not be a great fit for specific cases, byt violations of food production regs carry fines.

I knew a sheep farmer who raised lamb. He had to feed hay that had been certified for the human food chain (this might have something to do with herbicides, insecticides and fertilisers - surely not antibiotics). Some growers produce hay for horses and don't know anything about certification for the human food production and buying the right hay was a big deal for the lamb farmer.

I'm not taking a stand on whether that's right or wrong, merely describing the regulatory context, which aims to protect vulnerable Australians as well as those in rude health.

 

[Aussie-Chookmum]

Are you kidding me? How hateful. I would suggest they are the ones who do not belong here.

You have enlighted all of us to so much and I feel like I am giving my chickens a much better life because of what I have learned from you. Mine will never be wild but they enjoy being more natural chickens now than they did before I met you.

Your help with Sydney's hatching last year was invaluable to me. I was much calmer because I had you and @CrazyChookChookLady to help me through it. I can never repay you for that.

I would submit the following, your chickens have names, they have coops, they visit you in your house, you care for them when they are ill. You sound like a backyard chicken keeper to me.

And most of all, I consider you to be my chicken friend and my life would be less without you in it.

This made tear up a little Bob.

I know I admire Shad and value his opinion too.


(Even if I find him a trifle scary at times. )

 

[BY Bob]

I have to Object! Every EE I’ve met has been pretty Dominant, Hawk is downright crazy, and his daughters aren’t pushovers either!

But they aren't known for that! I swear.

Do either of those descriptions fit Aurora! I can't touch her. Heck she won't let me near her unless she can snag a treat. Now Maleficent fit these descriptions to a T (except for broody). This is just proof that they are individuals and you never know until you meet the chicken.

 

[BY Bob]

There are 48 of them! At least! I’m hoping they will fluff up on their own... but really. Ok, I have avoided the deluge long enough myself... time to gird my loins and brave the weather. Lure everyone undercover with some Good snacks, and bring Roostie in for his evening dose, I mean “dinner”.

That could take a while to blow dry them all. Please don't get too wet. I would hate for you to catch cold.

 

[BY Bob]

WHat I'll do is withhold eggs until her February checkup. Then I'll say, "listen, off the record, I've got a friend who is a microbiologist and he keeps chickens. He says the eggs will be fine. I know that's not what the food production regs say. I want you to know that i respect your advice and your commitment to professioalism. But I'm going to start eating her eggs again and I accept all the risk, it will not come back to bite you, you have my word."

I am really not trying to create a rift or any problems. I'm really not.

 

[featherhead007]

Like I said, i think he's being professional and abiding by regulations that aim to protect the health of every Australian.

Such regs might not be a great fit for specific cases, byt violations of food production regs carry fines.

I knew a sheep farmer who raised lamb. He had to feed hay that had been certified for the human food chain (this might have something to do with herbicides, insecticides and fertilisers - surely not antibiotics). Some growers produce hay for horses and don't know anything about certification for the human food production and buying the right hay was a big deal for the lamb farmer.

I'm not taking a stand on whether that's right or wrong, merely describing the regulatory context, which aims to protect ebulnerable Australians as well as those in rude health.

Every Australian is in danger Down Under. (Remember Drop Bears?) !