Monet's Leg ( Help )

[zazouse]

And here is another thread where @DylansMom helped me before, https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/915084/100-hatch-rate-on-shipped-eggs/130#post_13969568


You should check the protein level of your feed, it shouldn't be more than 18%, too much protein caused the twisted tibia to mine.

I have to disagree with this IMO i think it starts with the parents lacking key vitamins and minerals,when the chicks hatch they lack the sufficient amount also and at the rate they grow if they do not receive sufficient amounts they can develop this condition as they were born with this shortage from the start .......................................................... i got my greens and they were on 18% i saw several birds with twisted tibia even brought one home, mine were eating feathers so bad i bumped their protein levels up to around 25 % and have kept it there and they stopped, now i have just one that is doing it again but not for lacking anything i think she is neurotic as it only happens at roosting time no other time.anyhow not one of these greens developed twisted tibia with the protein increase,

I have been feeding protein levels 20 to 25 percent for years young and old and never have i seen this happen here and i have hatched 100's as well as raised and sold 100's .

 

[DylansMom]

I have to disagree with this IMO i think it starts with the parents lacking key vitamins and minerals,when the chicks hatch they lack the sufficient amount also and at the rate they grow if they do not receive sufficient amounts they can develop this condition as they were born with this shortage from the start .......................................................... i got my greens and they were on 18% i saw several birds with twisted tibia even brought one home, mine were eating feathers so bad i bumped their protein levels up to around 25 % and have kept it there and they stopped, now i have just one that is doing it again but not for lacking anything i think she is neurotic as it only happens at roosting time no other time.anyhow not one of these greens developed twisted tibia with the protein increase,

I have been feeding protein levels 20 to 25 percent for years young and old and never have i seen this happen here and i have hatched 100's as well as raised and sold 100's .

I have not changed the feed or supplements the parents are eating, yet we only had Twisted Tibias the first year we were breeding, now we've gone 2 years without any TT, and the only changes have been made to the chick's feed, not their parents. Here at least, 18% protein is what works best, no feather eating at all this year.

 

[SassyMustang198]

Thanks guys..

i will take his feed away.. he is allowed to eat 24 hrs a day.. so that isn't helping and will start wrapping him tonight.. he is still growing so i'm hopeful it will reverse its self even if i have to wrap it for 2 months.. .lol

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

I have to disagree with this IMO i think it starts with the parents lacking key vitamins and minerals,when the chicks hatch they lack the sufficient amount also and at the rate they grow if they do not receive sufficient amounts they can develop this condition as they were born with this shortage from the start .......................................................... i got my greens and they were on 18% i saw several birds with twisted tibia even brought one home, mine were eating feathers so bad i bumped their protein levels up to around 25 % and have kept it there and they stopped, now i have just one that is doing it again but not for lacking anything i think she is neurotic as it only happens at roosting time no other time.anyhow not one of these greens developed twisted tibia with the protein increase,

I have been feeding protein levels 20 to 25 percent for years young and old and never have i seen this happen here and i have hatched 100's as well as raised and sold 100's .

Well, i have chicks where they will sit because of lacking vitamins but never twisted tibia, last year when its happened i changed my feed directly, and until today it never happened again.

I read somewhere that the protein level and the space they have to run are related it could be right, because the birds i had in the large brooders never had twisted tibia even when its happened for the other chicks last year.

Your have big pens, and they are not eating 24 hours i guess.

 

[zazouse]

lack of magnesium,, folic acid and some other minerals in hen before she starts to lay can cause the chicks to be lacking them also, greens are a great source for many things they need that are not in their crumbles or pellets

as are some fruit and nuts.

Here is a link to a good read

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/publications/6/diseases-of-poultry/220/slipped-tendon-perosis/

 

[SassyMustang198]

Okay so wrapped my boys legs. I'm concerned he may hurt himself as she really doesn't want to sit still now. But did I do it right.

 

[DylansMom]

Okay so wrapped my boys legs. I'm concerned he may hurt himself as she really doesn't want to sit still now. But did I do it right.

I can't really tell from the side? I used a piece of foam cut into a wedge shape, wide end between the hocks and narrow point between the ankles. The legs should be side by side and the self- sticking vet wrap 1" wide works really well. Basically you are taping them into a position that is opposite of the way the leg is twisting. I did mine overnight as they are quieter and will be less distressed at night... if you make sure they are in a dark place for sleeping. Untape them 12 hours later and let them move around during the day, so they do not become depressed.

 

[SassyMustang198]

I can't really tell from the side? I used a piece of foam cut into a wedge shape, wide end between the hocks and narrow point between the ankles. The legs should be side by side and the self- sticking vet wrap 1" wide works really well. Basically you are taping them into a position that is opposite of the way the leg is twisting. I did mine overnight as they are quieter and will be less distressed at night... if you make sure they are in a dark place for sleeping. Untape them 12 hours later and let them move around during the day, so they do not become depressed.

I put some bubble wrap between the hocks.. cause i couldn't find the foam i had in my makeup kit.. blaming my kid for that..LOL

my only concern is that he managed to get his legs undone, not sure if it was early this morning or last night cause he did struggle really badly afterwards.. and I didn't want to put it on too tight and cause more damage..

did anyone else have that problem ? with them getting unbound?.. i

I'm going to keep taping him for a month.. either way.. but just wanted to make sure that he doesn't hurt himself by flopping around after i do so..any advice would be awesome.. thanks guys!

 

[DylansMom]

I put some bubble wrap between the hocks.. cause i couldn't find the foam i had in my makeup kit.. blaming my kid for that..LOL

my only concern is that he managed to get his legs undone, not sure if it was early this morning or last night cause he did struggle really badly afterwards.. and I didn't want to put it on too tight and cause more damage..

did anyone else have that problem ? with them getting unbound?.. i

I'm going to keep taping him for a month.. either way.. but just wanted to make sure that he doesn't hurt himself by flopping around after i do so..any advice would be awesome.. thanks guys!

The Vet wrap works well and seems to keep the legs bound together better than first aid tapes, it has some stretchiness to it so it gives without coming loose. When I taped mine I would do it at dusk, they would all hop around protesting, but as it was getting dark they would settle down quickly. As long as the legs are taped correctly he won't do more damage, you actually want him to struggle against the taping a little, it supposedly creates a traction sort of effect pulling the leg in the opposite direction from which it is twisting. I taped for a month and the last week they started getting loose, I think they were getting more strength in the legs as they straightened out.

 

[SassyMustang198]

The Vet wrap works well and seems to keep the legs bound together better than first aid tapes, it has some stretchiness to it so it gives without coming loose. When I taped mine I would do it at dusk, they would all hop around protesting, but as it was getting dark they would settle down quickly. As long as the legs are taped correctly he won't do more damage, you actually want him to struggle against the taping a little, it supposedly creates a traction sort of effect pulling the leg in the opposite direction from which it is twisting. I taped for a month and the last week they started getting loose, I think they were getting more strength in the legs as they straightened out.

Okay cool.. yeah i wasn't sure.. didn't want him to damage anything by being a goof ball and flipping out because his legs are tied.. but good to know. .i'll continue to tape him for the next few weeks and see if he improves and what not.. *fingers crossed* it does.. thanks for al your help.. will keep every posted and such for sure..