Monistat 7 for Sour Crop?

[Kay88]

Our 1 year old Copper Maran developed a crop impaction with sour crop that we've been treating for 2 weeks. The crop was initally stuffed hard with fluids around it. We gave epsom salts for the first day, which helped relieve fluid build up. The second day it was obvious there was a big grass ball or something that didn't want to break down. The 3-4th days remained about the same as it turned into a moldable dough ball. We began MONISTAT 7 treatment, which turned the doughball into a water balloon with overflow. Initially did not want to vomit her, but all we had to do was tip her gently and she would regurg. Held her in downward position for only a few seconds at a time, bringing her gently into upright position to be able to process the fluids, breathe, rest. Her crop became so flat that you could feel her bones behind it and she has continued to lose much weight, but she still pecks around meagerly and drinks water (probiotics/electrolyte) solution, along with fresh plain water on the side. We missed a day of MONISTAT, and the fluid build up came back with a vengeance with an even worse odor than the first time. The fluids were yellow brown on vomits in this second week, and more clear today, but there seems to be no improvement. I read that MONISTAT 7 was poisonous on this forum, backed by apparently veterinary commentary regarding the propylene glycol in MONISTAT, which doesn't exist in myconazole, generic form of MONISTAT 7.
This causes me to be concerned that we are contributing to her demise. We have called the local college for veterinary medicine who will not make any comment whatsoever without seeing her in office, neither would our local vet who "sees chickens" but didn't even know about crop impactions or how to do one, or if she had the tools for it. The exotics veterinary 30 miles away charges a LOT of money to see a hen, and at the time before she went completely fluid, crop impaction surgery charge: $1500.00. All of this NON support from people in occupations that are supposed to be for the welfare of the animals is very saddening and discouraging to me.
Can I rest assured that I'm not poisoning my sweet hen with name brand miconazole (MONISTAT 7)? If we don't see improvement in the next couple days, I'm certain she won't survive this, and we've never had to euthanize our own bird.

 

[Kay88]

Didn't mention, we tried the apple cider vinegar for the first several days and it didn't affect this process at all. Also in the first day or so post epsom salts we used a very low dose of ducolax stool softener, only 2x per day with 1 tab, she would ingest maybe half of each dose, and this seemed to quickly turn the hard-to doughball-to fluid very quickly.
I saw on another website for chickens to use ACIDIFIED COPPER SULFATE- but of course no such item exists locally, so we ordered it. The supplier took 3 days just to get it out the door and it'll probably be another 3 days to reach us, probably too late. I'm fearful if we keep up the MONISTAT 7, and then switch to the ACS, that her system won't sustain all of this.

 

[pibb]

Look on the box and see if it contains propylene glycol which may be toxic. Some part of it may and some may not like the cream vs the suppository. I can't exactly remember but if it doesn't contain propylene glycol you should be good to use it. @azygous I believe knows more about it.

 

[azygous]

Monistat miconazole is safe to feed chickens. No toxic ingredients.

 

[LuluMcCabe]

I want to thank the people here who recommended Monistat 7! I would NEVER have thought of that. But I have a silkie hen, 18 months old, who has been struggling with balloon crop for weeks. ACV isn't helping, she was getting exhausting from vomiting her, and seemed to be nearing death (not eating or drinking, standing in one place with her eyes closed). After two days of Monistat 7 suppositories cut into thirds and force fed, her crop is normal and she is scratching and pecking away happily!

 

[khind]

Monistat miconazole is safe to feed chickens. No toxic ingredients.

Do you know the dosage? I've read 2cc twice a day; the size of a pea twice a day, all the way up to 25 cc 2-3x/ day!!!!
I have the tube of miconizole 7.
Thank you!!

 

[azygous]

Dosage is wide open. You can give as little as half a teaspoon twice a day or as much as one teaspoon three times a day according to how stubborn the yeast is. The important thing is to keep the chicken continuously dosed for one complete week so the yeast can't run and hide.

I don't even bother to measure. I pry open the beak and squeeze the tube directly into the mouth like a squirt of whipped cream. It's a neutral taste and chickens often will eat it off my finger.

 

[khind]

Dosage is wide open. You can give as little as half a teaspoon twice a day or as much as one teaspoon three times a day according to how stubborn the yeast is. The important thing is to keep the chicken continuously dosed for one complete week so the yeast can't run and hide.

I don't even bother to measure. I pry open the beak and squeeze the tube directly into the mouth like a squirt of whipped cream. It's a neutral taste and chickens often will eat it

 

[khind]

Thank you for your reply! Wow, that's wild.
Ok, one more question if you don't mind! Do/ have you ever also used Epsom salts to flush the crop? I read a couple sources about doing this as well, but again the amounts differed. I ended up giving her what amounted to just 1/2 TBS after all was said and done, because I used a 1cc syringe... in about 8 successive doses down the Rt side of her mouth/ throat. What a laborious task - took forever for a small amount, and I felt so bad for her, but I knew I should use a slim syringe for safety. Ugh! Anyway, afterwards I read that Gail Damerow's book which says to give 1 Whole TBS 2-3x/ day ( while another said to give several TBS)... I tend to trust Damerow, so I plan to *somehow* follow her recommendation and double the amount i gave today... unless someone knows otherwise.

I had brought her in the house last night bc she was looking distressed when I went to check on them b4 sleep. It was just this a.m. that I discovered her huge squishy crop with a foul smell, so I withheld food from her today. I only offered her water. She drank only a little. This evening I did the Epsom solution. I'm about to wake her up now & give the antifungal. I planned on giving it down the Rt side again, with a syringe.

I'm afraid, from what I've read, that she may have a mass of food pellets (or maybe even dried/dead but green grass?) stuck in her crop. I read today that sour crop could come from an impaction. Because she's never had this ever, hopefully the Epsom, massaging her crop, & anti-fungal will help clear it. I just switched to pellets a few months ago after 5-6 yrs of crumbles, and they've all been spending almost all their days in the run. I leave oyster shell, but I guess I need to leave a bowl of grit as well.

 

[peeper89]

I read that Gail Damerow's book which says to give 1 Whole TBS 2-3x/ day ( while another said to give several TBS)... I tend to trust Damerow, so I plan to *somehow* follow her recommendation and double the amount i gave today

then y ask here on forum
read ur book or search demrow epsom salt flush, result give you chikcen chick The treatment I would use for sour crop is detailed in Gail Damerow's The Chicken Health Handbook 2nd Ed. 3) FLUSH THE CROP– Mix 1 teaspoon Epsom salts in ½ cup water. Pour or squirt down the bird's throat twice a day for 2-3 days. (Be careful not to get the solution in the bird's airway.)

https://the-chicken-chick.com/chicken-anatomy-crop-impacted-crop-sour/#:~:text=The treatment I would use,Chicken Health Handbook 2nd Ed.&text=3) FLUSH THE CROP– Mix,solution in the bird's airway.)