Monistat 7 for Sour Crop?

[azygous]

The Epsom salt flush is easiest given by tubing, especially if you go for the twice a day, half a cup of solution at a time, for three days in a row. Getting half a cup of solution into a hen via tubing takes no more than ten minutes. It would take forever with a 1ml syringe. Tubing is such a labor saver as well as much easier on the patient, only needing to have the tube inserted once and syringing into the tube is more comfortable for the hen, too.

I've done the three-day 2xday flush on two different hens and both took it very well, and even seemed energized afterward.

 

[khind]

then y ask here on forum
read ur book or search demrow epsom salt flush, result give you chikcen chick The treatment I would use for sour crop is detailed in Gail Damerow's The Chicken Health Handbook 2nd Ed. 3) FLUSH THE CROP– Mix 1 teaspoon Epsom salts in ½ cup water. Pour or squirt down the bird's throat twice a day for 2-3 days. (Be careful not to get the solution in the bird's airway.)

https://the-chicken-chick.com/chicken-anatomy-crop-impacted-crop-sour/#:~:text=The treatment I would use,Chicken Health Handbook 2nd Ed.&text=3) FLUSH THE CROP– Mix,solution in the bird's airway.)

This is actually the first source I read (because I trust the ChCh too). However, I noticed the info looked incomplete. I mean I prepared 1/2 c as it says, and assumed it meant to give the entire 1/2 c at one sitting. But when it took forever, I realized I actually had Damerow's book on my bookshelf, so I looked it up there... and both the concentration and the amount to administer were Very different. (Damerow's book says to mix the 1 tsp with just 1 TBS if water!). Maybe Damerow adjusted her recommendation in later, updated versions of her book? Or maybe either she or The ChCh had a typo when either Damerow's book or the website article was published?

 

[khind]

The Epsom salt flush is easiest given by tubing, especially if you go for the twice a day, half a cup of solution at a time, for three days in a row. Getting half a cup of solution into a hen via tubing takes no more than ten minutes. It would take forever with a 1ml syringe. Tubing is such a labor saver as well as much easier on the patient, only needing to have the tube inserted once and syringing into the tube is more comfortable for the hen, too.

I've done the three-day 2xday flush on two different hens and both took it very well, and even seemed energized afterward.

Wow, I ran across a passing reference to tubing on a FB group search, and was very curious about it. (And later, when I saw Damerow's book recommendation of only 1 TBS given, was very confused!)

I assume the tube is run far down the throat? Is it a feeding tube? Would it be purchased at something like a veterinary supply site or store? I imagine I could find a You Tube video on how to do insert it... And I agree that if I could do it, it should be far less stressful on the bird.

 

[azygous]

The chicken's throat leads directly into the crop. In fact, think of the throat as the opening to the crop. The tube is generally cut to about eight or nine inches long and about four inches goes into the crop. Then all you need to do is syringe the fluids into the tube. It's safe because the tube is directing all the fluids directly into the crop instead of trying to avoid the airway each time you insert the syringe into the beak.

A vet can sell you a tube kit or you can ask around of any old people who use oxygen for their discarded tubing. A lot gets tossed since they need to replace it periodically. Or you can buy aquarium tubing from Walmart pet aisle and. You can ask around at pharmacies for a syringe to fit it. They give those away free. I can instruct you on how to insert the tube. It's so easy, you don't need a video.

 

[khind]

The chicken's throat leads directly into the crop. In fact, think of the throat as the opening to the crop. The tube is generally cut to about eight or nine inches long and about four inches goes into the crop. Then all you need to do is syringe the fluids into the tube. It's safe because the tube is directing all the fluids directly into the crop instead of trying to avoid the airway each time you insert the syringe into the beak.

A vet can sell you a tube kit or you can ask around of any old people who use oxygen for their discarded tubing. A lot gets tossed since they need to replace it periodically. Or you can buy aquarium tubing from Walmart pet aisle and. You can ask around at pharmacies for a syringe to fit it. They give those away free. I can instruct you on how to insert the tube. It's so easy, you don't need a video.

Thank you so much!
Sounds like IV fluid tube that I

The chicken's throat leads directly into the crop. In fact, think of the throat as the opening to the crop. The tube is generally cut to about eight or nine inches long and about four inches goes into the crop. Then all you need to do is syringe the fluids into the tube. It's safe because the tube is directing all the fluids directly into the crop instead of trying to avoid the airway each time you insert the syringe into the beak.

A vet can sell you a tube kit or you can ask around of any old people who use oxygen for their discarded tubing. A lot gets tossed since they need to replace it periodically. Or you can buy aquarium tubing from Walmart pet aisle and. You can ask around at pharmacies for a syringe to fit it. They give those away free. I can instruct you on how to insert the tube. It's so easy, you don't need a video.

Thank you very much! I wonder if I still have extra tubing from when I gave my cat IV fluids a few years ago, or if I threw it away; sounds like that could work. Otherwise, I'm waiting these roads to become navigable since this winter storm.

One sad note though: I'm realizing that this might be an indication that it's time for my hen to be let go. Long story short, she's got a large hernia which is what seems to be causing her decreased mobility (& she's for the most part stopped using the roost bars, preferring to sleep in a nest, which I allow for her since i don't want her jumping down - it clearly causes her discomfort), and I suspect that she's the one who laid the lash egg this summer (the only lash egg I've ever seen in the flock) though I can't say for sure. She's seen the vet for all of this, and a couple rounds of bird-safe NSAIDS over the past 5 months have helped her go out of the run and enjoy the yard again almost like she used to.
She's 6 or more y.o., and I love her so much, and I love how she handles her position as matriarch of the flock (even these days), but I have to be sensitive about how much I let her go through.

I'll keep you posted. Her crop is so big this morning that when I offered her some scrambled eggs (after she rejected the moistened crumble that she usually devours), she enthusiastically went after them, but liquid rolled out of her beak twice when she opened it to eat. And thereafter, she went after the eggs much more timidly; she must be feeling the fluid and trying to hold it back. Her comb and wattles are also a deep red color, both last night and today. (NOT purple, but still, I wonder)

 

[azygous]

Deciding when to euthanize an older chicken who's been having health issues is very hard emotionally. Recently, I had to make this decision with the matriarch of my flock who was nearly fourteen. She had been living the latest one half of her life with a tumor on her head. It didn't give her trouble until a month ago when it began causing wry neck.

I treated the wry neck and the last month was mostly good for her after we conquered the starvation (I tube fed her) that went with wry neck and her trying to eat with the top of her head. But she reached the point where the wry neck was no longer controllable and the tumor appeared to be causing her pain, so we ended it.

If the tubing you used on your cat is quarter inch and not the super skinny stuff, it would work. You need to match it up with a syringe that will fit and that can handle semi-liquid food being pushed through it.

 

[khind]

Good to know about the specs.
I'm so sorry about your girl...

 

[khind]

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Deciding when to euthanize an older chicken who's been having health issues is very hard emotionally. Recently, I had to make this decision with the matriarch of my flock who was nearly fourteen. She had been living the latest one half of her life with a tumor on her head. It didn't give her trouble until a month ago when it began causing wry neck.

I treated the wry neck and the last month was mostly good for her after we conquered the starvation (I tube fed her) that went with wry neck and her trying to eat with the top of her head. But she reached the point where the wry neck was no longer controllable and the tumor appeared to be causing her pain, so we ended it.

If the tubing you used on your cat is quarter inch and not the super skinny stuff, it would work. You need to match it up with a syringe that will fit and that can handle semi-liquid food being pushed through it.

Wait - I have silicone drinking straws! They're almost 8" long, and a little over a quarter inch wide ( a hair over 3/8 ) with a quarter-inch opening. My immediate concern is what I can use to flush the crop with Epsom salt water and hopefully also use for the antifungal cream.

 

[khind]

... well, just the Epsom flush, I guess. There's not so much of the antifungal that I shouldn't be able to give from the tube or a syringe.

 

[azygous]

No on the straw. It is not flexible. It is rigid. Anything rigid, no matter how light weight, has the capability to cause injury. Think about how a sheet of paper can cut deeply and painfully in spite of its flimsiness.

If that silicone straw is flexible enough to tie into a knot, then you might be able to use it.